TOO MANY PLAY MAKERS?

Newcastle had johns, Brisbane had lockyer, while Parra right now is trained to play around robson/mortimer and haynes. Add KK and u got one big mess. A team needs only one player maker leading it, not several.

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  • I'm not sure I agree. Look at the canberra side of the early 90's. Daley, Stuart, Mullens were all pretty amazing. Not to mention Sterling, Kenny, Cronin etc from our glory days. The reality at the moment is that we are designed to play around Hayne. The others are part players for now making good contributions but the leader is Hayne.
  • This is a really good discussion point. Further to the issue, if you add Mateo to the mix. And even further to the point, I'd actually say that MK is the single most important organising point in the side.

    As I said before I don't think Robson does much organising at all. And I don't think Keating will either. His primary role will be to kick and try and bust them through the middle.

    I've always thought you start to get into trouble with three playmakers/creative players. We'll have four in MK, Mortimer, Hayne and Mateo. I think given all the creativity into the side, Mateo will actually get the chance to play more of a traditional lock forward role rather than having to be the go-to guy and I think that is going to suit him and the side.

    In the end, I think we will end up with MK controlling the direction of the play and rolling the forwards, KK will be primarily a link player who runs the ball and kicks. Mortimer will be the player we look to set up our outside supports and Hayne will be the player chiming in from the back to add some creativity. Mateo will give us some additional grunt on the fringes.

    Seriously can you imagine Hayne running off Mateo!

    In the end it comes down to, how well the side is coached and whether all the players know their roles. I think having so many creative players makes us much better able to deal with injuries and I think we're just going to be unbeatable once we get all these blokes on the park.
    • Yeah, I agree.

      Robson/Keating will play on one side of the field, set up the outside backs or run it themselves, usually down the shortside

      Mortimer will play on one side with Mateo and Hayne chiming into the backline to produce some pretty awesome attack.

      MK will control which play to run.
    • Well said 1Eyed. Brilliant post!

      An NRL team is about balance. You have to have players who can compliment each other & work as a team. Sure Newcastle succeed with "one" playmaker, as have Brisbane but you'll also notice that they had players in their side that complimented them.

      Robbie O'Davis & Danny Buderus for Newcastle.

      More recent years for Brisbane Karmichael Hunt & Shaun Berrigan.

      So in essence they didn't really have one play maker, but they did have stars in the halves that were there main go-to man. But you ask either one of Johns or Lockyer how they do it, they'll tell you the guys around them make their job a lot easier...particularly the likes of Buderus & Hunt respectively.
  • hayne running off mateo is crazy!!!

    it will be like mateo , fends 1 off 2 others grab him , gets arm free , hayne in support open field , try.
    • Hayne in support.....draws the fullback...passes to TAHU! TRY!! :P
  • i think we need to lose one of the keating boys and possibly Grothe

    Kingston and MItchell can play hooker.

    Mortimer, Robson, Mateo can cover halves.

    I guess it comes down to how they view mortimer - is the he long term solution to halfback and worth signing up long term. on the other hand we cant afford to put all our eggs in one basket like what happened with Tim Smith.
  • I like the idea he has some speed

    Not only Hayne but also Burt...... Did you see his dart.... I think from dummy half last Sunday..

    With hopefully Tahu back to help Eric out and with Reddy's defence we should be sound out wide ....i'm not sure if theres room for Inu.
  • Yer i would also disagree with you max. Although i do agree with you that it can be detrimental to a team, if they have two or more dominant play makers, as in players who like to be the chief playmaker. A recent example of this could be the combination of Thurston and Prince for QLD and i would even argue Johns and Fittler failed to produce there best football as a combination even though they were the two best players in the late 90's early 00's.

    However there is no doubt that the sucess to a modern day league team is in finding a balanced "spine", which is your 1, 6,7 and 9 (some argue that the lock forward should be included aswell) . Usually you will find there to be one of these players will be the dominant playmaker and the others will add to the attack at different periods.. For example Manly were so succesful last season , where Orford was dominant with Stewart, Lyon and Ballin chiming in when needed. Plus they had a ball playing 13 in Glenn Stewart which only increased their potency.

    However i think Parra can be very sucessful even though currently we don't have a dominant playmaker, because i think a spine of Hayne, Mortimer, K. Keating, M. Keating and Mateo has great balance and attacking prowess.

    I would even use Melbourne as an example, when they won the premiership they had Slater, Inglis, Cronk and Smith, all great players however i don't think any of them were particularly the main focus of the attack. Smith was the direction, and i actually believe MK plays a very similar game to Smith. Cronk was the distributor and kicker, Inglis was there pretty much to roam around and chime in when wanted, and Slater played more of a five-eigth role, coming in as a runner of cronk or a decoy to attract defenders..
  • I think you all have made solid points. I guess the game has changed so much you can nowadays have 3 or 4 playmakers as long as its balanced and everyone knows their role. Case closed.
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