Both try a piece so far.
What could have been, we'll never know.
Big Steph did well ealier with the Storm.
That's probably the best Eels juniors we've produced the last 3-4 years but all 3 left home.
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Rather than concluding Talagi would not have developed if he statyed at the Eels, because our defense is so bad, the other way to look at it is to ask why Talagi's defense is bad at the Panthers? Basically, WHAT IS HIS EXCUSE?
What in the Panthers' record provides Talagi an excuse to remain a crap defender? The Panthers have been perennial minor premiers (2020, 2022 and 2023) and grand finalists 2020-2024, winning 4x 2021-2024. Talagi starts at Panthers in 2025 and they finished 7th in 2025 before winning two finals matches to bow out in the preliminary final to eventual premiers Broncos. Talagi has the Kiwi Intl' centre on one side, an established backrower on the other, and the Australian fullback calling the shots behind him.
What is Talagi's excuse to still be a defensive turnstile? FYI Talagi just topped the Panthers missed tackle count (7) despite his side winning 30-18 vs Raiders. WHAT IS HIS EXCUSE?
Well the only thing I can say to this is Mitchell Moses defense was questionable at best when he first got here and it improved much like his halfback play.I guess if we are looking at Talagi and judging the real question much like Mitchell's defense is that it or does he need more time will he get better.Ivan Cleary had no qualms in picking Talagi I think that says enough really I don't think he'd just take Talagi if he didn't think he was worth the squeeze.
Subjectivity comes in but Daz's point is still right....Moses defence to this day is adequate without being special, his main problem when coming from West's was technique, believe it or not the Parra coaches at the time were able to improve technique pretty well. Moses is no dummy, he is already a major shareholder in a financial advisory firm. If someone comes along and shows him some technique faults, he is smarter enough!
One final thing is that Moses will never be a great because he simply is not powerful enough. Cleary is genuinely powerful as is Jerome Hughes, by far the 2 best halves in the game. In the current game speed and power is what it is all about....basic skills notwithstanding. Moses has the speed not the power.
All true Coryn. My only point was that it's false to assert BT would not have developed at the Eels because the team defense sucks. As you note Moses got better and our defense wasn't great! But also, as noted, by the logic of negation Talagi should be a better defender than he is so what's his excuse.
Onviouslf I'm pushing back at cheap shots at the team and club.
I do recall reading somewhere just after Talagi joined Penrith that they were shocked about how far behind he was in footy knowledge. It took them some time to bring him up to speed. He didn't play the first 6 weeks if I recall. Not sure what that says about the systems at the Eels. If this is indeed true (and not just a swipe at the Eels), would explain why our up and comers take so long to develop.
His defence is still crap, and was targeted last year in some of those clutch games at the end of the season, which I believe was the difference between them winning and losing. His misses just aren't as consequential as they would be if he was still at Parra.
Sanders is still developing, but he has a good system around him. He has Ethan Strange next to him who is a wonderful defender. I don't think he would have that at Parra.
I feel like that comment about him being behind was more of a strategic swipe bragging about 'their' superiority in player development. He was raw, and we had to throw him in first grade early so we didn't lose him, they probably didn't realise just how raw he was, is probably closer to the mark.
Fair point Clint, but so are all the other comments......if Joash Pappilli went to Penrith and played 5/8, I would guarantee that he would be a lot more as a game influencer than Blaize, that said Joash also needs a lot of polish. That try he scored at the death on Friday night was as far as I have seen him run, up until now he has been a hospital passer. Imagine how the Penrith school would change that. Poor Joash is a victim of being a bit of everything and nothing on the whole. Even Volkman who obviously has the ability that we have only now seen in the last couple of matches, although Richard did identify him in Reserve Grade a few rounds back.
I think Ryles is good enough to get us there, where we can become a Penrith, but it requires patience and perserverance, something we as fans or supporters in my case are not very good at being.....that's patience!
Don't worry Chiefy, you will wonder forever, but is it just a blank scene of amazement what you hope to achieve. I look forward to seeing you on that Death Star one day....
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