PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Newsflash , religious guy says stuff you could perceive as sexist and homophobic , so on that , we can assume you dislike every single practising Muslim in the country ? Or is it just white religious men you dislike ?
He says stats prove women were happier when they didn't work , whoooooah ! What a bastard,
Homophobic, yeah I'll give you that , the bibles homophobic. Religious people follow their stupid books, what's tour thoughts on the 1 million practising Muslims in Australia ?
I'm not even going to look, but I'll bet you 48 hours of silence you can't find a single video of Kirk being racist .
Hannah Arendt. Origins of Totalitarianism.
All should read and tremble
Randy, Where some of this is heading embodies Arendt's lessons of history seen in 20th Century far-left and far-right.
Take a Bob Smithian Type Solution. Step one, Civil War. Revolution. Radicalism. Step two. "Cart off All Lefties to work camps". Totalitarianism. Left or Right is not the point. Also, whatever good intentions there are is neither here nor there.
Trump needs to be careful when he says it's only Left Radicals that are the problem, and Right Radicals are just decent well-intentioned folks. That's heading down an extremist path of Victim-Blame-Game justifying actions on intentions. It's totalitarianism 101: The strongman emerging out of chaos to forcibly shape the world in their image.
As Nos implied both extremes are dangerous. And that's where this deep divide threatens to go. Hopefully it won't be the blind leading the blind down a hellish road of good intentions.
HOE and Randy, there could be a whole other blog on Arendt and totalitarianism. Here theme of loneliness. So, ya know, if everyone is gonna trell me I am the most annoying crazy f***wit lefty on the site then I may as discuss Arendt. Why not?! See next post on loneliness and Arendt.
It isn't my solution. It's the solution that occurs when both sides have radically different views and refuse to budge. This isn't anything new. It's happened in history countless times. Things will continue to escalate in the US until one side has subdued the other.
Kirk openly said he has no problem with people being gay as it is no different to the sins he and everyone makes and believes everyone should do what they like as that's what's great about living in a free society and it's no one's business what they do in their own house.
He also states he doesn't see race but this whole dei garbage definitely does make you lose confidence in who gets appointed why wouldn't it when it's not merit based and hiring people who have to be a certain race or sexuality in life or death situation is crazy.
If you watch he's videos not a small left snippet you will realise he definitely is nothing the left say he is , and the smear campaign comes from not being successful at all when debating him . Just like quoting one paster and not the many others who dispute the racist claims is also very convenient
How many times can you guys "unpack" the same baggage?
Surely there is case for a "full on" baggage strike.....fcuking lefties again?
Poppa, the case for a baggage strike is a) don't click on the thread, or b) see 'A'. It does not really matter why someone advocates not clicking on the thread, becausae not clicking on the thread is the solution to baggage unpacking problems and freely available to all. Meanwhile, others are free to click on the thread. We have freedom of association in democracy, where at least one sense is if you are interested you are interested and if not you are not.
An example is I typically read your post-game reflections. Whether I agreed with your take or not is fair grounds for comment but "oh Poppa stop unpacking things because I am incapable of not clicking on the thread" is a pretty pointless objection, just don't click on the thread.
I think every off-season this topic comes up, of whether non-footy discussion is permitted or whether anyone should bother and so on. Isn't the constantly-available solution to come back to 1EE the following March if you hate non-footy-talk? Or to start a footy-blog interesting enough to get traction in the off-season. Both of which everyone is (to paraphrase Shakespeare) free to click or not to click, that is the question?
Daz , For once we've found some middle ground , I agree that the " uuuuurgh im going to take the time to post that this topic doesn't interest me " is dumb , can both go a step further and agree that Ploppas post game wrap ups are nauseating ?
What Ploppa may not realise is these off season blogs pay the bills. Ploppa find me another rugby league privately run platform that generates as many hits during their teams offseason as this one . Are you that much of a moth you can't stop yourself flying into the light to click the link?
Ploppa wasn't here during the real bleak Parra supporter years when the offseason blogs probably kept the fucking doors open. When he's paying $5 a month to use the place he'll be crying in his Uncle Toby's oats asking how the place can attract more revenue to cover the costs.
Fuck! Both you guys really showed up!
I wrote a 2 line post about unpacking baggage and the replies were the comments and attacks of the school bullies being nice to each other........
Nobody can question your intellect Daz and even Wiz put up a "fair" performance for an un/educated idiot from Wollongong...... but what do you honestly think you have left to prove that the average joe maybe be interested in ?
It's my choice to click on or click off, not some high and mighty intellect of the ages who wouldn't believe Jesus Christ if he walked up to him in the teachers classrooom and told him that you missed the masses!
I have something to offer with your SIFT Strategy......its called FIFO and it stands for Fit In or Fuck Off!
PS Sir Col the Mushroom and myself were instrumental in pushing the whole concept of the "ORF SEEZUN"
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