PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Raising mental health is a good point. I'd argue that the poor mental health of these political extremists is a symptom of a more broader cultural and spiritual problem.
HKF September 11, 2025 at 10:14am
The violent far left strike again, no doubt they will try to claim the killer was a right wing nut trying to escalate the dislike of the left.
Since receipts are the in thing i thought i might leave one of my own from the original Charlie kirk blog.
HKF, it is unclear what you mean. Can you clarify?
After CK's murder, the right launched definitively claimed it was "the left" that was culpable. Are you denying this?
Also you say there was a receipt to the effect that "the killer was a right wing nut trying to escalate the dislike of the left". Do you mean false flag? I do not recall anyone making false flag claims but happy to stand corrected if a false flag claim was made.
What i meant was that there would be attempts to claim the killer was in fact right wing not left wing. This is exactly what happened, there were fake documents and doctored photos plastered all over the next, even on this site.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNBaxETyjTC/?igsh=MTk3bHNrdXpoNHJrdA==
Kid Smarter than many here.
I wish i knew
which button to push
So i'd know how to please you
It's sad but true
but i keep lookin'
on down the line
All i see is chaos and pain
Scared and hiding
in the blaze
our fucking lives are not your game
You try to play us just the same
Just wish i knew
which button to push
apologies B,Fanning
I mean no offence to anyone here, purely my own opinion, neither ‘Left' or ‘Right’ aligned, as I personally believe these two spectrums of political & ideological beliefs are purely a mythology, a tool or weapon, for division, for distraction, control.
Great post NOS.
I used to think like this NOS, but it really feels like i need to choose a side in this. So i did. I chose the Broad Church, not the Christofascists(they hate being called that, but the only reason to attack abortion is.). Fuck their Purity tests. I mean, they see Prof Daz as a huge threat and dangerously hateful. I'm not having it. I chose a side
and people are dying, not for their actions, but for their beliefs and words.. his words actively encouraged the actions of others and his beliefs were christofascist.
We are not going to unite around blatant lies and "othering people". Buckle Up
Thanks MeelK and likewise, as HoE said, you're always very balanced.
Randy, I get it, genuinely. You're a highly intelligent person, and your views on many things clearly come from being such a deep thinker, as opposed to being reactionary or emotional.
My post definitely wasn't an attack on you, and I'm not naive enough to think we can all 'hug this out', that's for sure.
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