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"Im seeing Metcalfe at St George if you ask me as there halfback.
Atkinson at 6
Drinkwater at fullback
Liddell as there 9.
I think Metcalfe wants to run a team that's what he was at the Warriors before he got hurt.What it does tell me though is…"
Atkinson at 6
Drinkwater at fullback
Liddell as there 9.
I think Metcalfe wants to run a team that's what he was at the Warriors before he got hurt.What it does tell me though is…"
"It's just a pure observation there is no gripe just the mentioned.I'm an eyes person that's the evidence your asking for my eyes are telling me we've adapted something different to what we were at the beginning of the season.It feels as if we aren't…"
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Coryn, the Eels lack super fast centres and so, true, they don't attack from the backfield like Cowboys or Dolphins.
But ensuring you make your 40 and kicking to a corner if you haven't ran 60 metres by play two is simply stock play for almost every team.
Again, evidence for "same style" has to be, you know, evidence! First you offered none. Then you seemed to suggest two totally different styles but cited no evidence for either. Now the evidence is that they play like many teams do, of getting out of their own end and kicking to a corner if nothing has happened.
What is the ultimate point of your "JR getting a free ride" argument? It's clear you're not going to warrant the "same style" claim with reasonably specific evidence. So let's just get to why you think it matters?
That is, the lack of evidence for your claim doesn't mean you don't have a gripe to get out! What's the gripe?
It's just a pure observation there is no gripe just the mentioned.I'm an eyes person that's the evidence your asking for my eyes are telling me we've adapted something different to what we were at the beginning of the season.It feels as if we aren't playing as free and are definitely going for more the grinding type of style as we can't afford to make those errors.So the way we play has changed.
Its clear to me we've tucked the ball away even when Dylan Walker has hit the field the last few weeks coming off the bench.He's the key indicator,what are you seeing different.
Walker is the indicator for me when he comes on the field previously the ball would see more air now it isn't.
I ask the question because from what I'm seeing with my eyes is telling me we aren't playing with as much width as we saw previously even bringing the ball out.That was an indicator of the game style JR had adapted from the jump.
JRs getting a free ride if I am to really put that under the microscope what are your eyes telling you about our middle defense are we improving getting worse what are your eyes telling you.Don't know about you but that was one of my key indicators going into the season over 3 months ago.Sam Moa and the mentioned that's there strength as coaches how would you judge the critique of there work in this area apparently one of strength.Do you see much critique of the coach there.I hear alot saying how poor we are in that area but not singling out the ffault and whose responsibility that area actually is.
Parra have always lacked that type of centre just saying back then and now.
This is not the way ryles intended the team to play, that was made very obvious with the style of fowards he preferred but since the nrl suddenly changed the way the game was officiated he has had to adapt. The smaller more mobile pack does not suit the sped up version of the game, big powerful forwards punching holes up the middle destroying a defences structure is what works with this version of the game.
Ryles has been caught out by this sudden change and is trying to adjust on the run without half of his squad on top of having a forward pack that doesn't suit the style needed to thrive in the faster game.
I understand and my first inclination is that must be right.....but it is not logical, the smaller more mobile forwards should be offering more in a faster game.
Does a good big man automatically beat the good little man.....maybe in one off's that is happening, but tell who are the big forwards that are dominating.....Ford from Warriors leads the pig group, where are the big guys, KK the one every wanted to break the bank for here is going like a busted arse, Tino you wouldn't piss on, Paulo is going ok but he has some haters on here for reasons mainly of bad judgement....our big blokes, who ever they are don't seem to last long.
Its the big fast powerful backs, Tedesco, Edwards, Mitchell doing the damage, trailed by the fast and elusive little men.
I must be seeing this all wrong.....please explain?
Defence being gassed makes it easier for the big boys to find a 1 on 1.
Those backs you mentioned are taking advantage of the platform laid by the, let's call them power forwards as opposed to big forwards, the power forwards (strong, good leg speed ) are getting over the advantage line often with only one or two defenders on them as there isn't enough time to get 3 or 4 into the tackle to slow the ruck down without conceding a set restart. Quite often you do conceding multiple set restarts which has a snow ball effect.
If you know anything about how high end touch football is played it utilises a similar concept where ball playing is pretty much eliminated, it is more advantages to have one pass off the ruck with the ball carrier running at a defender and reaching out to contact the defender so they can play the ball quicker which in turn has the defence back pedalling constantly.
Another example was when Brian Smith coached the eels ha had the ball carrier dive at the feet of the defender so he could quickly rise and play the ball which then had the defence back pedalling. This was so effective the NRL introduced the dominant tackle rule to eliminate the ploy.
So basically, power + speed - ball movement- errors = dominance.
Yes, JC, it makes more sense to refer to power forwards than try to make a small-mobile vs big-boy forward distinction. The height and weight of many second rowers leave them at least and often bigger than some props! Locks have also become low to the ground nuggets of rock too
Maybe one of the important features is leg speed? The ability to keep making ground in a tackle seems so important now, to generating faster and faster play the balls, which seem to lead to either a team conceding a six again or maybe they try to avoid doing so but end up presenting a broken line
If we play for 80 keep the coach
Gee that's nice rhetoric FB but really changing the coach would be akin to rearranging the deckchairs. The coach is good enough, the players are not.....changing the equation via the players is a long and winding road.....pity we can't wait long enough.
All JR is doing is simplifying the game per what he has to use that's all it is.
But fans were down right filthy on the last coach for having a team play this way but yet it was a winning style.The bottom line here in the nrl well in any contact sport really for the most part these games are won in the middle of the park.
My comments are based around this and fans understanding of how you win these games.Throwing the ball round and making it look attractive or smash and bash your way with high completions simplifying your game sweating a teams mistakes and then strike when your in position.
Anyone can see the last month of football that's exactly what we are doing and we'll continue to do that with the ball.
The defense on the other hand we are giving up 35 or something silly a game.I don't know what the fix is there or if there is one because from what I've seen teams are coming after us in the middle of the park and are having a lot of success doing so.
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