PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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I think it's safe to say now that he's not some extreme right wing MAGA loving "Yeeeee haw " yokel that our resident paid propagandist was peddling. If people can't see a patten with a certain member after his " gEt tHe jab " episodes then open your eyes and ears. Some will say and do anything , post shit they knows been debunked , well hopefully with the FBI releasing their evidence now in drabs directly , we can all move along without having to endure anymore " receipts ".
Thankfully only a small few drank his Koolaide this time. Maybe now he knows the backstory a little better he can stop celebrating and have some compassion for a man murdered by an unhinged madman who it seems is radical left . If not let's hope he twists his ankle dancing on the grave.
Who cares if they are trans, furry, gay or whatever. This is about a political assassination of 1 person because of different views not mass shootings. How many political shootings have occured recently, because that stat would be more telling then mass shooters for this discussion.
I keep hearing how intolerant 1 side of the argument is, but just like the BLM movement, the destruction and murder by the other side is continually justified by those who think that if you are a minority you have a free pass to do as like.
No destruction of cities is justified and neither are assassinations due to ideological differences. There is plenty more anti Christian and anti white male rhetoric online then anti LGBT or trans. Governments and media bend over backwards for minorities now so the poor me victim mentality doesn't apply. They are no more a victim then anyone else in a world were bullying, abuse and financial inequality happen to everyone.
Poliltical assassinations in the US over last few months.
ONE Republican (Kirk) by a potential radical left winger (*TBC).
TWO Democrats (Hortmans) and Gilbert, their Labrador, by a hard right winger. He failed with TWO more Democrats.
There are probably more but those come to mind.
Americas has a huge issue with nutters on both sides. The point I am making is that Kirk was targeted it seems purely because he'd previously pointed out that's trans are a rising problem that needs addressing and nobody wants to talk about. It's no secret, nor is it a topic the Dems refuse to aknowledge , that right wing nutjobs exist. They'll happily discuss it until they fall off their perch , but Kirk was flagging this growing trend and look at the hate he copped , why ?
however , try getting the lefties to have a conversation about the growing LBGTI extremists . Case in point you flag some alarming trans data and the whataboutisim flows.
Ok Randy , now remove gang crime shootings.
Wiz, could a right-leaning person date a transgender person? Would it change his political label overnight? Just curious.
You once said stats can be spun any way. Consider this.
Trans adults over 18 are say 0.8% of the US population
Trans people are 0.3% of the US prison population→ ratio suggests 40% overrepresentation.
Technically true, but 99.7% of prisoners are not transgender.
So which should we use?
Alarmist framing could encourage the average paranoid Joe to think prisons are “flooded” with "too much evil" trans people and by extension, fear The "Evil" Left. What are the real consequences of this kind of alarmism? Do they help inspire and spread more divide, incite more panic and even violence, or help matters? What are we really after or want?
Let's see what kind of responses get generated by some on here.
Wiz, could a right-leaning person date a transgender person? Would it change his political label overnight? Just curious.
Well you tell me , what do you think ? Personally I feel you can swing from one leaning to another overnight. It only takes one clip that resonates and you're instantly swinging. Thats my opinion, but I class myself as a swinging voter who's more inclined to be agreeing with right values at present. And the older I get , the crazier and less able to have a civil debate the other side seems. The LBGTI " political movement" arm of the left don't help their cause. Homosexuals would do themself far better to distance themselves from that movement .
But let's say someone was more civil, and took more time to understand where the people on the right came from without calling them nAzIs or rAcIsts , and aknowleged that maybe fat lesbians screeching and 5 year old boys identifying as girls may just be extreme , then maybe I'd take an instant swing overnight as I'd be drawn to listen to them. I'll listen to a level headed lefty all day. I enjoy the debate , learning and discussion.
Do you think that non radical Muslims can be radicalised over a short period ? I feel like you're assuming he was a hardcore MAGA yokel and not just a homosexual kid that grew up in a family that admitted they are Republicans ?