When did it all change?

Want to ask this question, when did it all changes for the worse? We are now hearing Foran made this remarkable recovery and is play great football since getting over his depression. Hoppa I'm sure will soon be playing Sunday's, this day and age players can just stop trying and get rid of a coach at a drop of a hat. Would never have happened on the 80's, no way the game out of control. When did it start? Has Super League caused most of these problems, I can only blame that change. I loved the footy how it was, 80's were great, then early 90's the game changed but it still had what we all loved. But after the Super League uprise the game changed for ever, not all bad but here we are. The NRL don't help, they bow to all they command, the rules have changed and some I understand but other have made this game not soft, but they have taken what we all loved, big hits, a few fights, all gone. Did Super League cause what we have today? Players seem to be running this game!!

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    • That the NRL? Lol
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  • As a younger fan, its probably not my area to compare the quality of our past athletes to what is today. However as a avid fan of pretty much all major sports i see little difference to the progress the athletes of our  game are making in comparison to the international juggernauts such as the EPL and the NFL in fact i do think we are moving in the right direction and have been fortunate to still maintain such a strong brand for all these years.

    I think the point you are making about the changing state of players is pretty strong, but i honestly dont think its a big concern 

    Yes while i do think when looking at the Foran and hopoate cases they are absolutely ridicuolous but this is the the state of modern sport and i do think it is  a healthy sign that our game is alive and kicking if they are our biggest concerns.

    Whenever i feel crap about our own game i think  about the diehard super rugby tragics who have to face bigger problems than just some players acting like sooks, its a sport that has been struggling both nationally and internationally for a number of years and its been a testament of the continued dominance of the all blacks, the falling crowds, the potential for multiple teams to be axed and the total reliance they have on the novelty version of their own game (the sevens).

    I mean rugby league yeah we have had problems but they are problems that are no differently faced in some of the biggest sporting codes in the world. Things like the toronto wolfpack, the improving super league and the extreme luckiness for our game to have a national comeptition where anybody can beat anybody it has continually allowed for interest and excitement to be sustained. I think we should be focusing more on this rather the actions of some players

    Yes i do think we need a change of face in order to keep this progression, Greenburg and his staffers need to be moved on and news limited IMO do need to back off abit but apart from that I dont think our game is in a drastic position atm and i dont think the attitude of some players adds to this

    • Yes so true, the problem with Rugby I think to many at the top, are to worried about loosing their jobs. So changes that need to be made for the better if the sport might never happen under the current format.
  • It's called professional football. When players had to earn their own living working real jobs, this didn't happen.
    • Yes, now they do control a lot, NRL allow this to happen because they are scared of what might happen if they put their foot down I guess.
  • The problem with Rugby atm is the exact opposite of what rugby league possesses and that is culture. Union has a huge cultural issue and the main reason why we have been so fortunate in rugby league (besides the forans and hopoate outliers) is because we have been able to maintain our identity as the working class game for over a century now. People who define our game are people like your johns brothers, your fittlers, corey normans and Jonathan Thurstons. Down to earth blokes who act and speak like the everyday man. 

    By maintaining connections with this sought of larrikin identity i think has the main reason why we have been able to maintain such a strong position and has been the reason why we have been able to ward off any sought of significant competitive threat from the rising A-league and AFL (in NSW).

    If rugby want to survive they need to relinquish their own obession with being the upperclass game, remove themselves from private schooling ties and  they need to get out there and appeal to the common man.

  • The impact on the game whether ARL, Super League or NRL is a result of the decisions men have made not the organisations they created or imagined. Money has always dictated the management of the game since inception. It was money that got the best players to transfer their loyalties from Ruby's Onion to Rugby league.

    We did get a better result from that initial transformation.

    I agree Tin Tim that the last lot of changes have not necessarily advanced the character of the game that we have grown to love if not "fell in love with at first sight" whenever that may have been. These current changes were orchestrated once again by men, more concerned with money than preserving the game that we knew.

    I have no doubt though, that some changes needed to be made for the safety of the kids and adults who play it if you wanted to also have the support of mothers who are the lifeblood of junior rugby league. Without which we have no game.

    My conclusion is. Money runs our game and every other game eventually played on a professional level because it is entertainment displayed in a Capitalist environment whether socialist capitalism or western democratic capitalism. That's what Capital is "Money"

    • Agree, but at some stage we needed to preserve the very essence of our game. It what this great game was built on. The true supporters loved what yesteryears brought to our game. Those supporters which I could say many that are here today loved the gladiator style of football we once had. Not the coathangers, head high, spear tackles or even blind side shoulder charge. But the big front on hits were very appealing to us all, the one on one fights. So these new admins changed our game to suit the part time followers that might watch one game a week or only State of Origin. Gee this argument could go on and on. Cheers for your input!
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