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Volkman (came on a train and trial). 2 try assists. 6 tackles busts. 2 line-breaks. 5 runs for 95m. His break allowed Moses to kick the winning FG.
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Coryn, the Eels lack super fast centres and so, true, they don't attack from the backfield like Cowboys or Dolphins.
But ensuring you make your 40 and kicking to a corner if you haven't ran 60 metres by play two is simply stock play for almost every team.
Again, evidence for "same style" has to be, you know, evidence! First you offered none. Then you seemed to suggest two totally different styles but cited no evidence for either. Now the evidence is that they play like many teams do, of getting out of their own end and kicking to a corner if nothing has happened.
What is the ultimate point of your "JR getting a free ride" argument? It's clear you're not going to warrant the "same style" claim with reasonably specific evidence. So let's just get to why you think it matters?
That is, the lack of evidence for your claim doesn't mean you don't have a gripe to get out! What's the gripe?
It's just a pure observation there is no gripe just the mentioned.I'm an eyes person that's the evidence your asking for my eyes are telling me we've adapted something different to what we were at the beginning of the season.It feels as if we aren't playing as free and are definitely going for more the grinding type of style as we can't afford to make those errors.So the way we play has changed.
Its clear to me we've tucked the ball away even when Dylan Walker has hit the field the last few weeks coming off the bench.He's the key indicator,what are you seeing different.
Walker is the indicator for me when he comes on the field previously the ball would see more air now it isn't.
I ask the question because from what I'm seeing with my eyes is telling me we aren't playing with as much width as we saw previously even bringing the ball out.That was an indicator of the game style JR had adapted from the jump.
JRs getting a free ride if I am to really put that under the microscope what are your eyes telling you about our middle defense are we improving getting worse what are your eyes telling you.Don't know about you but that was one of my key indicators going into the season over 3 months ago.Sam Moa and the mentioned that's there strength as coaches how would you judge the critique of there work in this area apparently one of strength.Do you see much critique of the coach there.I hear alot saying how poor we are in that area but not singling out the ffault and whose responsibility that area actually is.
Parra have always lacked that type of centre just saying back then and now.
OK Coryn, now the argument has changed from a JR to BA comparison to an adaptation from season beginning.
So I imagine any implication that JR is not getting critiqued for same stuff BA was critiqued for evaporates with the change in argument.
I agree the Eels have adapted. Mass injuries will do that to most teams. And it may be what you suggest, a shift to a game style less prone to errors. Of course we have seen that the Eels are better suited to less errors and better discipline, because their flimsy edge defense copes better when they're not handing the ball over or advancing the opposition upfield.
I think one thing to acknowledge is that Hopgoode, Doorey and DBL at season beginning were playing a short passing linkage role through the middle. Like they did back end 2025 (sans DBL). DBL was dropped for wayward passing and the other two injured, so that is obviously going to affect style.
If we are talking media holding to account, we now hear waxing lyrical about Bronco or Tiger injuries and Eels get a ho hum, so if anything JR gets a crap run in that regard. Just listen to Cooper Cronk commentary vs Cowboys. Entirely pumping up the tyres of Cowboys. That's common
Daz,
Adapting is absolutely necessary. We had to simplify our game. Tweak it. Do we want to look pretty or try to win games?
For one, we're undermanned. The Tigers leaked almost 100 points in two weeks once injuries hit and they lost their fullback. Same for the Storm.
Two, we've been caught out a little by the rules changes. Ryles almost admitted as much in that interview. It's not just us either.
Those regular wide sweeping plays we were doing earlier in the season, late last year and in preseason cup with Iongi, won't break down defences as effectively unless you've already created chaos and fatigue through the ruck and got the defensive line in disarray. A fatigued team will be easier to break.
Most NRL defensive lines (unless you're low on confidence like the Dragons or Storm were) can generally account for them when set. Unless you've specifically identified a weakness, like we did on the Broncos' left edge in R2.
You can rely on individual brilliance out wide , Coryn's super athletes like Herbie or Purdue, but that alone won't necessarily win you games.
We don't have a Purdue or Herbie. But we do have dangerous players. TDS. The Fox. Moses. Volkman made more tackle busts, line breaks and try assists than Dylan Brown this week, way more.
Basically, we have to:
1. Complete at 80% minimum, ideally better than the opposition. Control the ball, minimize errors and stay disciplined.
2. Kick for at least 600m and not drop off in the second half like we did against the Warriors and Manly.
3. Take our chances.
That's what happened against the Cows. We kicked for almost 900m and didn't fall away in the second half.
The basic trifecta. For now, that's the blueprint. Simple. Do the fundamentals well.
In games we've lost, we've gone away from that. The more we go against that the bigger the loss.
In games we've won (or gone to golden point, including the Tigers loss) we've done it.
The exact same blueprint applies to the Warriors despite their pack advantage and athleticism. The only games they've lost were when they completed worse or made more errors than the opposition. Same with the Panthers against the Dogs. More errors. They lost.
What I liked against the Cows was the improved running game through the ruck. We need more of that with support around it. TDS stopped doing it in the second half for some reason, but that's an area we need to keep developing.
Walker is playing injured would be my bet. That's why his minutes and effectiveness are down. But he's a guy who can help there down the track.
And if we're comparing BA to JR, JR has at least shown an ability to adapt. BA generally didn't. I also think we've shown better edge defence at times than BA's era, where it was consistently a shambles.
It was also very rare to see a BA side fight hard for a month or two straight and scramble the way JR's side has.
BA was building his own castles and players were able to screw over the club a lot more back then. The club looked sick of it by early 2023 when they basically said "&@$ these POs." That's when the change really started.
The coach is the most important person in the footy department at our club. He sets the strategies and makes the final calls on who comes, who stays and who can go.
JR feels far more club-first , transparent and grounded.
We've still got a lot work to do and roster holes to fill, but I'd take JR over BA any day of the week.
This is not the way ryles intended the team to play, that was made very obvious with the style of fowards he preferred but since the nrl suddenly changed the way the game was officiated he has had to adapt. The smaller more mobile pack does not suit the sped up version of the game, big powerful forwards punching holes up the middle destroying a defences structure is what works with this version of the game.
Ryles has been caught out by this sudden change and is trying to adjust on the run without half of his squad on top of having a forward pack that doesn't suit the style needed to thrive in the faster game.
I understand and my first inclination is that must be right.....but it is not logical, the smaller more mobile forwards should be offering more in a faster game.
Does a good big man automatically beat the good little man.....maybe in one off's that is happening, but tell who are the big forwards that are dominating.....Ford from Warriors leads the pig group, where are the big guys, KK the one every wanted to break the bank for here is going like a busted arse, Tino you wouldn't piss on, Paulo is going ok but he has some haters on here for reasons mainly of bad judgement....our big blokes, who ever they are don't seem to last long.
Its the big fast powerful backs, Tedesco, Edwards, Mitchell doing the damage, trailed by the fast and elusive little men.
I must be seeing this all wrong.....please explain?
Defence being gassed makes it easier for the big boys to find a 1 on 1.
Those backs you mentioned are taking advantage of the platform laid by the, let's call them power forwards as opposed to big forwards, the power forwards (strong, good leg speed ) are getting over the advantage line often with only one or two defenders on them as there isn't enough time to get 3 or 4 into the tackle to slow the ruck down without conceding a set restart. Quite often you do conceding multiple set restarts which has a snow ball effect.
If you know anything about how high end touch football is played it utilises a similar concept where ball playing is pretty much eliminated, it is more advantages to have one pass off the ruck with the ball carrier running at a defender and reaching out to contact the defender so they can play the ball quicker which in turn has the defence back pedalling constantly.
Another example was when Brian Smith coached the eels ha had the ball carrier dive at the feet of the defender so he could quickly rise and play the ball which then had the defence back pedalling. This was so effective the NRL introduced the dominant tackle rule to eliminate the ploy.
So basically, power + speed - ball movement- errors = dominance.
Yes, JC, it makes more sense to refer to power forwards than try to make a small-mobile vs big-boy forward distinction. The height and weight of many second rowers leave them at least and often bigger than some props! Locks have also become low to the ground nuggets of rock too
Maybe one of the important features is leg speed? The ability to keep making ground in a tackle seems so important now, to generating faster and faster play the balls, which seem to lead to either a team conceding a six again or maybe they try to avoid doing so but end up presenting a broken line
How do Ryles and Arthur coach the same style of play? In what way?
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