Interesting 'Bloke in a Bar' podcast with Jordan Samrani talking about Mitch Moses. Samrani discusses Moses' competitiveness, his constant on-field talk and leadership. One quip was that with Moses everything is "like an Origin series", which is an interesting reflection given some on 1EE absurdly doubt whether it's good to have the team captain and chief playmaker be in Origin and Test teams. The very last thing the Eels need is losing contact with cultures of excellence, which Moses obviously brings to the team (per his teammate).
Sorry unsure how to link to the podcast as I cannot locate it on YouTube (easy access) but saw it on Instagram. Link: On Instagram
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yes Moses theoretically is our best player but he has had a decade on top dollar and the drought continues .......yes possibly the last 4-5 years we have not had a GF level roster.....but he is no Messiah ...just remains a naughty boy....boom boom .....
He is and remains fools gold.
If Parramatta are bold and looking long term maybe we should throw the bank at Walker or Isaiya Katoa and manage Moses exit
I don't disagree with the thrust of what your saying PG but I am not sure that it is actually Moses fault.
The practicalities of managing his exit of course is so subjective, because Walker or Katoa maybe a wish list, to get either of them is a lot more than asking.....we can cover the half role pretty well with either Fletcher coming through or going back to Canberra.....Burton going to 5/8 would make us stronger overall and of course Volkman is on the rise, just don't know what his ceiling is?.......not sure the people that would want Moses would pay the dough, that said Brisbane are stupid emough to take Pezit and Maguire loves Moses.....so moving very quickly that is not a bad idea.
Sounds like I dislike Moses, I don't , I have always been a great supporter, but he is just not doing it for us anymore!
Poppa, is it even possible for us Eels Tragics to separate an assessment of Moses from an assessment of the team? The team has been on the spectrum poor to underperforming to bad ever since falling short in 2022. The Eels have demonstrable been worse without than with Moses. And excellent judges of contribution to a team have been parachuting Moses into Origin and Australian teams even while the Eels fell from whatever grace they had managed in 2022 etc.
When I watch the Eels I mostly see a team that has continually struggled to be a good defensive outfit. Your #7 is limited at that point in terms of how much they can do?
Daz, I am so disillusioned after the JAC debacle to have much faith in seperate assessments from Moses, the team and finally the football management.
I am loathe to criticise Rylles, I did so once and never lived it down, even after changing that knee jerk assesment. So I really am questioning my own judgement in this current environment and being wary of knee jerking again. I never did get a proper understanding of Joash Papillil's demise and what ever he was supposed to do, I don't under the treatment afforded Riley Smith and now we can add JAC to these mysteries.
Moses is now an aside, he needs to remain captain despite my misgivings about his leadership (spitting the dummy comes to mind). The side to me needs to be very close and comfortable with each other's company, my original assesment was Rylles was achieving this 12 months ago.....I now have extreme doubts as to team "commeradie" as we head into this season.
As we talk we have recruited Su'a, leniu and Luai..... are they flagship players, on current form the answer is NO,
We are hoping to recruit some backs, either centres or wingers, we were gifted an Australian Winger, a former and still a great, who played all of last year with a rib injury for the good of the team.
Our marquis player is not really delivering on a number of fronts (not his fault), he has been presented with no foundations or lateral tactical approach and depth (not his fault).
Mr Rush comes in from a space of elegance (sic em Rushie) impresses everyone and then oversees a decision to railroad a top class winger who we will not replace.....go back 12 months and we had the same stinker of a position with Lomax......throw in the other absurdities I have referenced and maybe its not a lack of leadership from the captain but somewhere else.
I said in a post the other day about a quote from a Parramatta Council exec who said supporting Parramatta Rugby league team is akin to hitting yourself repeatedly in the head with a brick! I am coming around to this and this "little black unicorn" is pissed off no end......as we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot and wonder why we can't walk straight!
Management is something I would love to go in and explain to them....they badly need a physcologist and a professional public relations manager, combined with someone that actually has an idea of how to build a team environment that is a winner by nature.
Hope I indirectly answered your question.
100% agree Poppa (I have not had a Brain Injury)....lol tbh Our best ever half back Peter Sterling has been very kind to Mitch .....Peter has stated that he has had rubbish around him ......but its been hard because time in moving on
Moses is 32 and contracted until the end of 2029, or when he will have just turned 35. Assuming I have his current age correct. At that point, there is probably very little to gain from fan discussion of moving on your contracted captain and marquee player (who is getting selected for Origin and Australia no less). I mean what is to gain from that discussion?
I reckon a better discussion is how will the Eels manage late 2028 when Moses presumably becomes a free agent after 1 November 2028? By that time what kinds if moves will the Eels have made to secure his replacement? Will the Eels have avoided what became the Dylan Brown debacle where we had thrown the house at Dylbags including let emerging halves of and then got dumped?
As Moses enters late-2028 the conversation will be either a) retirement as an Eel end of 2029, or b) one more go around, likely one year contracts no matter which club is in the mix? Will the Eels be clear who is coming through after Moses and will the Eels have secured that post-Moses time, whether it's for start of 2030, 2031 or maybe even 2032?
I don't think anyone would argue that Moses is ultra-competitive. That is clear.
It's just not the same as leadership.
Leadership is showing up for people how they need you to show up to be their best. It means you're able to regulate your emotions, to not act on impulse, to not show how you feel.
Moses is competitive and shows exactly how he feels. If you let him down, regardless of who you are, you cop it because he's furious and doesn't control his emotions. That isn't good leadership because for all the people it will work with, there are equal amounts that it won't.
Compare that to truly great leaders who treat different players in different ways during different parts of the game to bring out their best. I think Moses is an amazing player, but he's never shown to be a great leader.
I cannot argue with that Cappy.
When Moses came back after his first serious injury, the perception of him being a messiah was "whole" after he was quickly worked out by the opposition he started to "spit the dummy".
You cannot become enraged if you are a long term leader.....if he was playing for a side like Penrith, Melb or even Roosters where winning is a regular occurence then he could be called a great leader....i.e. winners are grinners!
Some coaches will tell you they may make one or two unintellible rants during the course of a season, after that you lose them.
We this coming year Luai will be an interesting watch in a comparative sense, I think you will see him making many singular moves, hence taking pressure off Moses, if we manage to get Burton as well then it opens a whole new dimension for Moses. Having 3 play makers in the side means you just can't close Moses down and expect to stop Parramatta.....this is one of the crazy parts of letting JAC go, with these playmakers, shit they could do some damage. We would see Moses running the blindside again!
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