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          Brett Allen > Michael Ericson May 11, 2019 at 5:17pm

          Israel isn't trying to take anyone's rights away Michael, and to say so is a complete distortion of the truth. He is merely expressing the truth as he believes it to be, and the right to do so is what Alan Jones is defending. He has actually said he doesn't agree with Izzy's views, but he defends his right to express those views.

          If you're gay and you don't believe in Hell, then why the outcry ?

          The only people who should be bothered are gays who claim to be Christian. And if they are, I suggest they go back and read the very Bible that is the foundation of the faith they claim to belong to.
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            Michael Ericson > Brett Allen May 11, 2019 at 5:29pm

            So you are in fact saying that a gay person can’t Christian? That says all you need to know about Christianity as far as I’m concerned. There are many good people that I know who happen to be gay. 

            You don’t have the right to say anything you want in society Brett. In fact I have a vague recollection of you saying the same thing in a different context a little while ago. 

            Brett I respect your views generally  particularly on the footy stuff where I think we agree often and your right to practice your religion but I can’t agree with you that Folau should be allowed to say Gay people will go to hell and therefore, by extension are evil. He cannot say that. 
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              Brett Allen > Michael Ericson May 18, 2019 at 2:00pm

              The defining characteristic of being Christian is one who follows Christ, who the Bible self describes as God's Living Word, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". The Bible clearly lays out that God views homosexuality as an abomination.

              More importantly it also clearly lays out God's plan for humanity, the entire Bible from Adam & Eve in The Garden of Eden right through to Revelation referring to the Church as the Bride of Christ clearly indicate that heterosexuality is God's plan for humanity. 

              Now, He also gave us free will to make our own choices, but God's plan for humanity has never changed, and that plan does not include homosexuality. If you choose to reject God's plan, and therefore by extension God Himself, He won't impose Himself on you. 

              He will wait till you come to Him. If you choose not to before you die, well .....

              That's not God condemning anybody, that's humanity rejecting God.

              BTW, being a Christian is not about good vs evil. Yes, we should work out our faith by doing good works, and that is evidence that our heart has truly turned towards God, but being a good person alone is not enough, you have to fully submit your life to Him, all aspects of it, including sexuality.

              So can a homosexual be a Christian, they certainly can become Christian, but as they continue on their walk with God, if they are truly submitting their lives to Him, He will challenge them on their sexual choices, (and I don't want an argument about whether it's a choice or not).

              I hope this answers your question Michael.

               
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                Rowdy Roddy > Brett Allen November 23, 2019 at 12:37am

                I can't argue with anything you've said here Brett. Infact you put is as well as it could be put for a Bible believing Christian. 

                Thank you for your boldness and honest conviction, it's refreshing and will reap the harvest of offense that it rightfully deserves. Thank you for expressing a perspective beyond an opinion.
  • Preacher > 1Eyed Eel May 10, 2019 at 11:26pm

    While I am not going to argue it, I could argue he was trying to help is friends colleagues and mankind in general. He states they are going to hell unless they repent, so I could mount a case that he was trying to get people to repent.

    While I think it was insensitive to post that in his position, at the end of the day all he has done is post a quote from the most published book in history. At no point in that specific post (there may be other posts) does he state any opinion on this matter, it is a word for word quote from the bible.
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      Nigel > Preacher May 10, 2019 at 11:34pm

      Absolutely right Abe, an individual's human rights trumps the company's positioning statement in their business plan.
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  Daz Sul May 10, 2019 at 11:19pm

  Les sums up the problem perfectly from the 3:40 mark.
  
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  Poupou Escobar May 10, 2019 at 11:30pm

  The problem is that companies need to virtue signal these days to avoid profit-threatening boycots. Of course, sometimes they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. As the saying goes, get woke go broke.
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    Nigel > Poupou Escobar May 10, 2019 at 11:57pm

    Yes but I believe much of the problems you mentioned come about as a result of poor decisions made at a strategic level. The AFL got itself into trouble with its recreational or non-performance enhancing drug policy a few years ago. 

    Modern sporting administrators have moved into a holistic approach and trying to do too much. They extend their scope of responsibility away from their core and further into social policy. This is dangerous territory as they are implementing a partial  set of rules that run parallel to societies laws. They are moving away from core purpose and business of running a sport, to trying to run a legal and social justice system.

    If RA had of just said we run a sport. Our focus is to develop the sport and if the legal system finds that one of our players have broken the law well then we have confidence in the judicial system and we will abide by their ruling. 

    Sponsors may complain or leave which will give short term pain but staying focused and strong will serve the organization better in the long term .
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  Hell On Eels May 11, 2019 at 7:46am

  There's only one problem with Alan Jones' freedom of speech "slippery slope".

  Imagine you're an employer. And an employee has been telling all your clients and corporate sponsors: "I was abducted by aliens, working with the Illuminati, and my mother was a whore until her 60s. Serious mate. No joke." 

  That's also freedom of speech.

  So I imagine some of you attacking Rugby Australia would be okay with that as employers? 

  I think the real problem for Folau is in Australia civil rights groups and lefties, support minority groups and GLs movements. Like mainly English speaking countries, shown in green. And a majority of corporations in developed worlds would not tolerate anti-gay "going to hell" sentiments.

  
  

  If Folau was playing for Nigerian Rugby, Folau would not have been discriminated against by his employer. He probably would have made the CEO and receive a national sainthood.

   

  

  There, in Nigeria, for same sex couples, who don't have the luxury of freedom of speech and can't speak without breaking the law, they don't have the luxury of freedom of speech like in Green countries.

  And there the afterlife of hell has been fast-forwarded. 

  I wonder how far right-winged fundamental Chritainity and Islam, or the KKK, or neo-Nazi's "feel about gays experiencing hell on earth? Or is it something that should happen only in the afterlife?

  On the plus side, a majority of the world's "non-green" population, and many in green countries, wouldn't have had a problem with what Folau said. And would support what Alan Jones and the others have come out and said; with open arms and a hug.

  If Folau was a Mexican rugby player or boxer he could say even worse and not get sacked.

  

   Life isn't always fair.

  Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with Rugby Australia and would rather be branded a green and leftie going to hell. As an employer I would tell Folau: "It's not personal. I like you. And I'm not morally judging your views, even if I disagree, but we're not here for that mate and you're scaring our clients. I won't have a business soon enough. Apologies brother, and I wish you well." And at least I would be able to listen to Queen in the after-life.