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              • He wasn't looking ordinary.  Those who followed the younger grades told me he would play origin.   He wasn't given the opportunity at Parramatta.   The gave preference to older players like Alvaro and didn't want to offer good coin to Utokimanu as younger players need time to mature,  and those controlling recruitment didn't want to risk their jobs on future players 

                • Wrrong again Chiefy, go back to the relevant time....yes there was a very strong opinion that this guy was good......that's what I mentioned in my post.....he didn't deliver Chiefy, it was that simple!

                  PS just like your Jack and the Beanstalk didn't either.

                  Chiefy you just cannot make stories up to suit your agenda....did you write any articles supporting his non retention.....NO it was universally agreed that Tiger's Offer could not be matched.....change your avatar it makes you look like a thinker.....I will choose one for you!

                  Which one represents you best young fella?

                   

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                • Chief, you keep mis-representing the Utoikamanu-Alvaro situation. Alvaro was re-signed by Parra before he won the KT medal in 2018. He was our most consistent player in a terrible season. That extension was until the end of 2019 with a single further season player option in 2020, which he activated.

                  Stefano signed with the Tigers at the end of 2019 for 2021. That was after we have purchased both RCG and Ryan Matterson.

                  Alvaro's single season extension would not have impacted Stefano's development or first grade aspirations given he was upgraded to Parra's NRL squad during 2020 and Alvaro was shipped off.

                  More likely, it was the retention of Marata, Kaufusi and Brown along with the recruitment of RCG and Matterson that contributed to his departure. And funnily enough they all formed part of the pack that went to the 2022 grand final.

                   

                  • One thing to consider with Stefano was that his brother was medically retired due to an injury on the field and I am pretty sure the club and his family had some disagreements over insurances or money. So we kind of pissed them off lol

                    • Yes, that is true EA and possibly (I certainly dont know) a reason for Stephano not carrying through his potential with us.

                    • This is what Stefano said, October last year about leaving us: “Everyone had their say about it and what was going on with my brother, but it wasn’t that."
                       

                      “They told me that I wasn’t going to be a part of the rotation going forward and that I had to bide my time. As a young guy coming through, I knew my time would come, but I was eager to play in the NRL."

                      “If you want to improve, you need to play in the NRL and experience it. The best thing for me was to leave and it’s been one of the best decisions I made."

                      “I felt like I had the best opportunity to play at the Wests Tigers. I couldn’t blame Parramatta because they had ‘Reg’ and Junior and were killing it at the time."

                       

            • No you don't understand what i am saying. We could want to extend, but they might not want to. Reason being they want to test the market, with two new teams on in the market that is why their management say "hold back" on signing extensions. Why sign a deal worth $300k for two years, when you can get $500k for three years elsewhere? You test the market to get best deal. 

    • Petrus could easily be ready for the NRL next year in 2027. Don't need to look at 2028. As you said, sometimes we won't be able to do anything to keep him because we can't give him the money or honour of representing his heritage. But if we are relying on Jez and Guymer to be our backrowers for 2028 your setting yourself up for disappointment. They are both middles in the future and have no where near the potential of Petrus as backrowers. You would have to focus on the development of Nauer, Latu, Polley and Capovilla. But other than Latu those boys are only 18 or 16  this year 

      • We have Su'A til 2029 so only need one back-rower but surely it's Petrus. He could debut this year.

        • Yea Petrus if he stays with the club.

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