now surely to gard he's bound to play some sort of future role in Ryles'y coaching staff , again ie : identify talent , skills, speed mentoring etc etc !!
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"As I said , name one specialist coach at any NRL club who was a above average gifted player ?
I think what you mean is hand him a token position for nostalgic purposes because he fucked his life up making egotistical dumb choices."
I think what you mean is hand him a token position for nostalgic purposes because he fucked his life up making egotistical dumb choices."
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Naturally gifted players make the worst coaches. Thats common knowledge. It's very rare that players who've never had to work hard to be the best can show others how to work hard to be the best.
Great point. I am not sure who it was who said it but i heard once that sometimes when you have a naturally gifted player coach, they fail due to believing what they do so naturally others should do as well. They don't understand that not everyone can do what they do so simply. They need coaching on how to do it.
That is why you see players that were average and played limited first grade turn into great coaches as a lot of them could see somethig that their bodies could not catch up with or do what they needed them to do. Justin Holbrook was that, Joey Johns said that about him that his mind saw things that his talent could not fulfil.
Same as when i was younger and when Cayless, Hindmarsha and Burt retired close together. My dad would say who do you reckon coaches and is the better coach? I always said Luke Burt. He wasn't the best player of the three but could see he was the smartest.
There is a saying of those who can't do, teach hahahaha.
That is why I referenced as a specialist, being a coach of a team can be entirely different to be a specialist, just ask some very good assistant coaches if they would make it as a Head Coach. I think that is why your soccer coaches are called managers and he employs specialist coaches, cricket has gone the same way and lets not start on Porn Movies! Directors can't always get it up?
some did but eventually fell on their swords
Name a very good specialist coach that was naturally gifted in the Hayne / Inglis , etc type realms ?
We have gone past that Wiz. His communication skils would make it be very difficult (people skills also fit) to be a Head coach. A talent scout or specialist fits definately within his realms.
As I said , name one specialist coach at any NRL club who was a above average gifted player ?
I think what you mean is hand him a token position for nostalgic purposes because he fucked his life up making egotistical dumb choices.
LB you nailed it as always. To be a elite level football coach these days is so much about communication , setting standards , having staff that can deliver your goals, aspirations and intent, having cattle that can do that at a high level of consistency. I have been lucky enough to be around some great players who went on to being great coaches. Plenty the reverse way too. IN todays climate, being a people manager and having the ab ility to communicate between all the various nuances that come with a top 30 program.
Some are simple assistant coaches and that is the best they get to. Some can go on from elite NRL players to NRL coachstatus like Ricky Stuart. Never say never with HAYNES but he needs to surround himself with some exceptional assistants to have any chance of a successful pathway.
Well Matty Johns mentioned a story where he was considering taking an NRL job, Bellamy rang him and said don't do it as it will consume you. Only about 30% of the job is actually coaching.
Well LB is recently married with a young child, I'm sure he must be slowing down a bit? Don't worry LB that always won't last!
I would never see him as a head coach material PT, just a specialist consultant with results determining where he ends up. What he is doing now with his Academy concept is a good place to start, there is no reason why Parra should not be encouraging the concept......if they haven't I hope it is not because of political correctness by distancing themselves from him.
My guess/say fact is that he is not a great communicator and this really bares judgement on the Parra system at the time when he came through. Poor management and discipline coming through and being treated by all and sundry as a messiah is a failure that sits on this club the same way his irresponsibility ended up ruining his career. I would always be hoping there was access to be part of a process of reform if it was available.
The myopic views of some of our PC greats on here who haven't enough vision to reckon he may just be a brilliant talent scout.....why would he not be able to spot talent and lets face it, we are not too bloody good at the moment in doing so.
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