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A good summation of how it will work with Moses + Pezet and our upcoming halves.
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"Well said HOE.
It's a clean feeling to hear some common sense on this carnival of stupidity for once!
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It's a clean feeling to hear some common sense on this carnival of stupidity for once!
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"Like Walker, TDS, Fox, Pezet this could be a seize the moment opportunity. Ryles relationship with him gives us a puncher's chance. And the thing is Ryles has done wonders for other forwards in a short space of time. Williams, Junior, Walker,…"
"Again, couldn't be bothered to read the nonsense on this thread.This is a fantastic option. NAS is desperate and has something to prove. He'll also come relattively cheap. This is exactly what we need. Anybody that thinks otherwise is not thinking…"
"Can run a good line. This year he showed he can now play in the middle as well as on an edge. Sort of player you want in your squad (they cant all be top notch players). Shame if he leaves."
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Bravo "The Captain" !.......
Can you print this out and we take your response and dump it strategically at the high peformance centre in Kellyville lol
Great post, Cap.
Cap, I missed the memo where almost 20% is now a 'majority'.
Quote: “Dumb...They completely ignore the FACT that Ryles chose NOT to play Dylan Brown for the MAJORITY of the season."
Isn't the opposite true? Brown played 19 of 24 games. 80%.
Many seem certain a long-term deal was on the table from us. Really? Think first. Pezet has been clear he wants to play seven. He was never signing up for years on end to sit behind Hughes or Moses for four years. His exit clauses prove it. But it was never going to be long-term. Not at the Storm. Not with us.
And as for blocking pathways, come on. One year?
It’s unrealistic to think the likes of Lorenzo, Lincoln (Moses heir), Twidle, or Risati are ready for full-time NRL next season, especially from the get-go and in the spine. The player most affected is Papali’i who might get impatient waiting for a full-time NRL position as the club develops him further after his four games at six, four at one, five off the bench. As for Hawkins, he already slipped down the pecking order to reggies when Ryles picked rookie Papali’i at six ahead of him, long before Pezet entered the conversation.
Isn't the opposite true? Brown played 19 of 24 games. 80%.
Fair call out HOE - it wasn't the majority of the season, I was wrong on that wording. It was articulated by Ryles why he was dropped though - that he wanted to plan for the future, heck he even gave permission for Dylan to go before the June 30th deadline:
Ryles said axing Brown was a "pretty clear" decision. He also revealed he had spoken to Brown about his plans as early as last month to give him the chance to potentially move to Newcastle before the June 30 deadline.
As a club, and as a coach, we decided not to play Dylan Brown to give our youth a chance.
And as for blocking pathways, come on. One year?
Nah, this one I'm not backing away from. Who's to say it's only one year? Promises mean nothing. In this game it is the "right now" or it's not real. Talagi left because he was blocked, a few months more and he wouldn't have been blocked at all. At the back of last year it looked like Papali'i was in the plans and was talking up the club and how much he adored the Eels, now he's out of the picture for a fly-by-nighter who needs some field time to train for the Broncos.
Sanders was "blocked" so left for greener pastures (pun intended) with the Raiders where he was no doubt promised the world, and he's now on the outer.
There is no "trust us, next year it'll be different" in professional sport. If you're not in the frame now, you're not in the frame. 12 months from now is anyone's guess.
So yes, this year we are absolutely blocking the development of someone...and for what? To finish 8th instead of 10th? It's not like Pezet is going to single handedly transform our team, he's not Walsh.
Lastly, on our juniors - we always have "the next best thing" in the ranks. Most of them never translate to first grade. It's just a fact of life. Being an uber talented teen doesn't translate into your body growing up and preparing for the rigours of professional sport as a young adult.
We need a constant flow of amazing juniors, and some of them may come good. And we need to constantly be scouting other talent, other teams, other countries as well. This is what good recruitment and retention looks like.
To be clear, I have zero issues with Ryles and his approach. I also have zero issues with Pezet as a player or what he's done with his choice...it makes sense for him. I have big issues with out recruitment and retention strategies which have produced poor results over many, many years and will continue to be a part of what stops us becoming one of the great and successful modern clubs.
We can find excuses, we can wish this away, we can try to find the silver lining - or we can admit that our R&R needs a big bloody refresh and anything short of an overhaul will mean we keep living this same cycle, regardless of our Coaching staff, training facilities, amazing club, supporter base etc.
HOE- Man, Cap, just with Dylan, 80% games played is a bit of a skewed stat.
DB didn't play 80% of his games at 5/8th, he played a game off the bench as a hooker, and 2-3 at centre when & only because Russell was injured & Simo was in the doghouse.
In the second half of the season Ryles essentially used DB as an injury replacement, excluding the last round / farewell.
Had Russell not been injured, Brown wouldn't have played again until the last round? He was overlooked as a 5/8th option for a Hawkins / Joash combination at one point.
Thats a pretty clear intention. Which, we all backed & bought into it.
Cap, I am with you, it's not purely this very strange & risky deal specifically, it's that we are in this position in the first place where a 1 year deal on an unproven rookie is our best 5/8th option for 2026 - this deal feels very reactionary to that point.
While Moses’ clock keeps ticking.
2026, we have a junior 5/8th in Pezet, 2027, we will have a new junior 5/8th, 2028, hopefully the same junior & he is developing.
It leaves a very small Premiership ‘window’ with Moses. Of course, a lot can & likely will change in that time. But, it’s leaving a lot to chance which is probably inevitable now, but it wasn’t always.
The club, Ryles & R&R did a sensational job last season in the recruits we acquired. Some brilliant signings. We all love & appreciate what Ryles & the club have and are continuing to do.
But, 5/8th has been a resounding fail. It's a vital position in building a Premiership side, and calling that out, doesn’t feel like whinging or attacking the club imo, it’s just accepting pretty resounding evidence.
Just opinion, look forward to see how this all plays out in 2026 & backing Ryles.
I agree with general theme of what you are saying Cappy.....but
I had this discussion with someone yesterday in how we talk our book! Hoey rightfully points out the incorrectness factually of the Dyllan example you make of a majority.....that said the point you make is true, the sense of principle if not fact. I actually think DB had a terrible season gone and did not always put in, whereas Ryles could find no fault. I question his judgement there but not his judgement overall as "our coach" definately has some recovering to do notwithstanding.
You lambast the R&R team for the inability to bring home that 5/8 that they negotiated pretty hard for all season, realistically they did not do a lot wrong.....things went our way very luckily actually, given the players we missed out on and the one we are losing were all abject failures.....yes even Talagi who was mollycoddled by the Clearys and still missed 16 tackles in his last two games, throw in another 6 in his game against NZ last weekend. Yes he is a talent but can you image what this forum would do to him with those stats.
Back to the prime objective, I believe there could be a reason this Pezet disaster is being pushed, we want to be seen as a winner in these negotiations which rhetorically we always tend to lose......face it Parra is not a desirable destination for players who think they can do better.....we would all like to have a pretty bride but its no coincidence that most of the billionaires end up with the most beautiful women!
Our turn will come and this debate after my original view of a send up and laughable (yes I was WRONG) has taken a new level of discussion and we need to step away from the laughable aspects and your examination puts us in the direction but still leaves much discussion.
We should agree that we are now in an unenviable position of not winning regardless of this happening (95%) or not.
I take your points Pops (and HOE) and admit I wrote my initial response in the heat of the moment.
It's because I am tired of beating this dead horse - we are a professional sports team and we need to demand excellence in every facet if we ever hope to be a winning club.
Since our lowest ebb some years ago now:
We scrutinised the board and finances and got needed change.
We scrutinised the club structure and consistution and got needed change.
We scrutinised the ageing roster and got needed change.
We scrutinised the coach and got needed change.
Mark O'Neill and his staff oversee (among other things) Recruitment and Retention activities since 2018.
Despite many great improvements since 2018 we have NOT been a successful club on R&R in that time. In fact many would say we've gone backwards. We have been involved in debacle after debacle without a year to spare. It would be hard to find a club with a worse R&R track record.
And yet accountability is still lacking. We are still accepting mediocrity in this area.
I am sick of excuses, I'm sick of the "silver linings", I'm sick of "oh well, we did our best". No. We are a well funded, proud club starved of success for the longest time and unless we address ALL of our weakest links we will not taste success long term.
BA to his eternal credit managed to get a team of bits and pieces to a Grand Final through seige mentality and grit - he also busted most of them in the process and we ended up with an exhausted team who couldn't maintain playing at 150% to match it with the best.
It's unfair to expect Ryles to do the same.
If we can't land some big fish, if we can't get the man we want, if we can't keep junior talent AND get the best from the market we will never compete with clubs who can do this.
Agree,the club needs to be looking at improving that aspect of operations. At the very least a refresh - i think MON has been in the role too long for a start.
Cap, NOS, Pops, Good discussion, gentlemen.
Maybe one-day a sugar daddy billionaire will pop up to save the day and land the "big fish" we crave, but until then, we’ve got to build the hard way.
Look at Penrith. Four-titles. Matt Cameron, the annointed Eels’ saviour. They couldn't keep that many of their big fish and juniors and couldn't land "big fish" either. No sugar daddies is their problem as well. Theirs was a ten year job.
Right now, assuming the place isn't torn down and the world keep turning, Ryles needs to build on last year. The club is fully behind him and him behind the club, despite what fans think. Get some wins. Push for finals. That will help R&R. Pickups like Pezet and any other recruitment wins could be what helps turn that corner.
Its the short nature of the deal because if it goes very well its like whats the point because we back to square one in 2027. The only way this works if if we have a great deal of injury in the halves next year (touch wood) we dont . How do we get NRL time into our pathway players ?
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