What would you think if definitive proof of alien life emerged? Would it consign all religious thought to, as Mark Twain once predicted, the fate of a stuffed ornament in museums? How would suggestive confirmation of the principles of uniformity and plenitude - that if life can form on Earth it can form anywhere and thus will for everywhere - mix with confirmation of the principle of mediocrity (nothing special about humans)? Would mediocrity impact humans relation with technology and would plenitude turn science skyward?
Disclosure Day (2026), Spielberg: https://youtu.be/icDuEHSxE-w?si=jKBowVzx1K6IggNh
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Dont confuse the Pope with Poppa Hoey!
You having seen an alien riding a dragon isn't something you can prove any more than you can prove you saw a dog at the park, HOE. These are experiential claims, and therefore in the realm of the supernatural.
Perhaps if you wore a GoPro everywhere, you would have evidence of everything you might claim to have seen. But you're a man who wants others to have evidence of their experiences. Would mandatory GoPros be suitable? Bodycams perhaps?
Doesn't work for the Police.
Poupou, why is testimony about seeing an alien riding a dragon in the park on par with testimony about seeing a dog in the park? I cannot see any good argument for treating each with the same scepticism. The former is testimony about a departure from ordinary experience whereas the latter is testimony about ordinary experience.
You appear to equate "experiential" with "supernatural". This is like reading Descartes' dream argument without turning the page to see his cogito reply.
Sagan is dead, you now have Neil Agrasse Tyson (spell check)
Poupou, Sagan was just adapting David Hume's argument against miracles. Hume advised exercising suspicion about any claim that violates every material experience you have ever had. But that's insufficient as we routinely discover new things. So he said we know the claim is a miracle claim - what Sagan generalized as extraordinary - because it is an intrinsically unlikely departure from evidentiary experience AND it relies more on testimony than any directly prevalent evidence.
Pou, You miss the point. It would be ridiculous to give equal weight to "Paris exists” or “I was born in Sydney” (birth certificate is evidence of that claim) to “I’m the Queen of Mars with a dragon army."
I’m not sure there is much certainty in life beyond death and suffering.
I used to follow it in the early 90's. It was pretty much the same old, same old so pretty much thought it was BS. I saw the videos in 2017 but again my interest was only in passing. What made me sit up and take notice was the UAP Disclosure Act they tried to introduce in the US via the NDAA in 2023. The wording in it was way too specific to think it was all nonsense or a psyop. The actions of certain members (who had donors who were defence contractors) to block the bill in that year and the following leads me to believe that they were somewhat over the target. The Emminent Domain clause was something that got a big reaction. If they had nothing at all, then why work so hard to block the bill?
I get the scepticism re the US. It is a worldwide phenomenon that outside of Russia and China, that the US has largely handled. However the US has over 750 bases in 80 countries in the world. What other country has that? So they are well placed to handle anything over most of the planet.
Its a very complex topic, and there are many layers to the onion. Disclosure as it is now is nothing about revealing we aren't alone, it's about tech and materials science. China and Russia have no interest in disclosure as it provides zero benefit to their political system. There are people who in the US who are for it and those who are against it. Whatever the nature of it is, when it all comes out, there are a lot of people who will be held to have broken the law and will likely go to jail. If you watched Age of Disclosure, most there were pushing Amnesty. That is what the doco was really about. If we come clean, please don't send us to jail.
Anyway, the next few months will be interesting as David Grusch has gone nuclear of late in what he has revealed.
Thx Bringbacksemi. I have seen a little of the Grusch case. Fair point had not all military-industrial complexes may see a point in disclosure. There is a sci fi novel on the list to read that has that kind of plot line in it - Three Body Problem?
Daz, UFO sightings and stories really ramped up in the USA around the time of testing atomic bombs so more evidence from the USA makes sense. The majority of stories claimed to be the most credible occured around weapon and nuclear testing sites. If we had the technology to explore and travel around the universe, visiting sites where unusual events occur would be pretty high on the list and we would want to explore where those events occured not where everything seemed normal.
On the other hand, reports being around testing sites points towards experimental aircraft from governments more so then alien craft. Seeing what drones can do now could account for some reports if that technology was being tested but not claimed or released by government agencies at the time. Governments and weapon manufacturers definitely hide technology until they perfect it but even today's drone technology can not explain a lot of the radar images and recordings of UFO claims which are still well beyond technology that has been released and recorded decades later.
You would also think if a country had technology capable of movement and speed on record as UFO sightings they would have been used during times of war but this doesn't appear to be the case.
But it isn't just from US military with these reports so claiming reports are nearly exclusively from the USA is false. We know most governments in particular russia and China are a lot more secretive than the US who love to put on a show and brag about things.
A quick Google search shows many different UFO stories from all corners of earth, many from before the Internet and many stories matching despite people being from different countries in very rural or remote areas who would not have had access to information from the other side of the world to match stories. Obviously some are fake but many who spoke about it and never tried to sell the story, make money or chase fame from their story seem to have some credibility.
I think most of the over the top hoaxes are from USA due to their craving for attention, fame and fortune but credible reports from different military and private sources are everywhere. More Indians and chinese believe in aliens already walking amongst us then any other country (AI fact not confirmed). It could be because they just don't believe people could be as arrogant and stupid as Americans but it does destroy notion of alien stories and belief being driven by the USA.
I believe Aliens have to be real as there is just to many planets and seeing things live in extreme conditions such as at the bottom of the sea, surviving through radiation of nuclear bombs on earth they may not necessarily need to be from planets in Goldilocks zone as some speculate.
I like the theory octopus are aliens due to their intelligence, ability to shape shift and the simpsons clearly telling us that aliens are a race of genius octopus wanting to eat us.
As for alient sightings on earth, something is out there whether it is Alien from other planets, spiritual from earth, interdenominational or something triggered in our brain there is to much speculation and belief not to have some basis.
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