I originally posted this on TCT because they had poor coverage of the coaching situation. Most of this has been covered on here but I wanted to reinforce the management argument over the coaching one.
Please note Wayne Bennett does not get "very" hands on when he coaches, he is a manager.
"Let me explain something to you, Ryles and Hannay are rookie coaches, unproven but more than that they have no known man management skills.ie. They have never been head coaches.
Personally my choice of Coach is Brian McDermott, he has outstanding qualifications and is currently doing a “get to know NRL” as an assistant at Newcastle, he has already taken Newcastle to their high defense rating in their history over the past 2 seasons. He the best coaching record in the history of ESL, Played 250 games for Bradford, 5 Tests for Great Britain, 5 professional fights for 5 knock outs and is an ex British Royal Marine.
Do you think he knows how to man manage?
He has taken sides to 4 grand finals and won them all, recruited Sony Williams to the Toronto Wolfpacks when establishing the US League.
Can or could you think of a better person to explain to our board what they need to do to be successful at anything. I tell you now he knows the difference between shit and clay!
Now I will digress a little further when you say how could they possibly be thinking Cheika as a candidate.
He is my second choice, why?
Because he has coached Australian Rugby Union sides and has amazing man management skills. He has seen and devised the systems that have been applied in NZ Rugby and had and developed strategies at the highest level in World Cups and Test matches. As a self made millionaire he doesn’t need money, this is a challenge for him and he knows many of the leading sports coaches all over the world. He is a proven sports coach and has a business acumen that most NRL players and officials would “drool” over. He also coached Mitch Moses in the World Cup and they get on like a house on fire!
Now why should we be considering these types of people over and above rookies like Ryles and Hannay……..the answer is simple!
They both comes from systems of expertise in man management skills, think about it for a minute. Any body can be a coach by reading a book, management experience (hands on) cannot be learnt, only experienced. My understanding is that Ryles sent his sister’s coffee shop broke trying to manage it.
Using Chieka for example, he is likely to employ (if given the job) the likes of Ryles and Hannay as his assistants, the logical argument many will come up here will be “what would a Rugby Union coach know about NRL”?
The answer is the future and strength required, especially in a club like Parramatta who has relatively no “discipline” in any of its structures…..these guys will be coaching the club as much as anything else, getting assistants to do the leg work will be a mere formality……the rest and the results will come from management skills that quiet simply is that of winners!!!.
How many English soccer managers physically coach, none to not many!
This is a chance for Parra to go to a new level of sophistication and be leaders in a field that is still evolving..
Don’t rule out some one like Barrett as an ongoing assistant, well you won’t have to worry about is him selecting the side to play next week, and that the right people, the manager’s of the process will do the heavy lifting. The designated coach will also be attracting the right players and retaining the right players for the club. The pathways will become what they should be with youngsters wanting play under such much needed expertise.
Players will want to come to us to play under coaches like McDermott and Cheika, not to play under rookies.
They are successful at everything they have done because they are elite managers, this a wonderful opportunity for Parra, just pray we don’t stuff it up because we want to look fashionable with a rookie coach.."
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NRL 360 mentioned Cheika was actually the most impressive in the interviews. Now if he is not a finalist as also reported, it could be related to being too much of a risk in terms of Union background? But if he is impressive then he must of impressed on his League knowledge too.
TCT not reporting on it well, do you think that is bitterness of BA sacking? Care factor of no BA just focusing on players? I notice in their player ratings blog they got rid of X-Factor column and to me it seems like a bit of throw toys out the cot f-you post BA. I do agree their actual talk of it has been not great, which is disappointing considering they are usually pretty good on their opinion pieces and reporting.
I am not sure of the BA "sulk" LB. I think that as a non forum type structure that the discussions do not open up like they do on here. That said 60's who is the main opinion driver over there has I feel deliberately stayed away from it, because of the disappointing aspects of BA's demise. This in itself is understandable as 60's worshipped BA and that is not a criticism and whilst he would probably never use those words, he was very loyal to BA, as a lot of us were. I still see BA's "demise" as needed in terms of direction change...... it can be argued forever about how it was done but it is also a corporate reality that an executive whether dismissed or retrenched is walked out the door, with no further discussion.
PS All these media participants I would not piss on. i.e. how would NRL 360 know that Cheika was the most impressive in interviews? a good example journalist says to Parra board member......"how did Chieka go in his interview?" Board member replies Ah! Good! ... most impressive. Change context to wriiten report Cheika was the most impressive! LOL
Ask Poppa how he thought the Christening went.... Poppa replies, most impressive.....what does Poppa actually means because he hates Christenings...... up there with Weddings and Funerals
Yeah nice comment Poppa. As for the comment about BA, i agree that it was time despite the shitshow of hiring the replacement, either way we weren't winning a comp with BA anyway.
As for media, that is where i was sort of going in that if he was that good why did they shaft him then? If he was impressive then his League knowledge must of been excellent therefore he is not as much of a risk. They would not know anything.
While i get where Pop's is coming from and agree with the argument against a rookie coach and that McDermott should be the coach , his achievements won't be enough to negate and overcome the obstacles and disadvantages he will face working at such a poorly managed club .
While what McDermott has achieved in the super league is impressive Super league is a inferior competition to the NRL , how many players over the last 30 years have we seen who were average at best in the NRL end up being stars in the super league? McDermott is just the most impressive of a unimpressive field of candidates .
Chieka is a embarrassing suggestion considering the type of club Parramatta is , if Parramatta were a club who had a top roster , were run by people who knew what they were doing and were able to provide a coach with every possible resource needed then you could make a case for someone like Chieka and take a punt .
You only have to look at the coaches who have dominated over there , Holbrook, Brown, Madge , Dan Ando even when he returned ( I think we went too early sacking him ) , etc , it shows how the year on year grind of the NRL as a head coach is a totally different beast. Once some injuries or a roster change puts some pressure on , not too many coaches survive without some turbulence. Coaches that last are very resilient humans indeed.
Hence why I'm totally against a complete rookie , our club can't take that risk. Guys like Ryles even with his glorious apprenticeship we hear so much about, could literally crumble in 6 months, He may not too, but the risk is too big. A coach that's been successful over there has at least served some kind of apprenticeship wheras they've had to endure real life pressure as a coach and not being able to hide behind the head coach, but yeah you're right , even after being there as a coach , the NRL gig has 10 times the pressure and spotlight on them.
Good points Wiz, you would have noted how I eased Ryles Coffe Shop management into the occasion, so thanks for that insight. I do like Holbrook by the way and he would be my pick over the rookies as we call them..... by the way is it your understanding that he has formally applied?
Thanks Frankie, good comments but I want to say that; "obstacles and disadvantages he will face working at such a poorly managed club" Have to be addressed at some point of time and someone like Chieka especially could be the man to address those shortcomings ......most probably by default if not intention.
Where we differ mainly with the board, is that I have a natural acceptance that these guys are just "very green" in football club management and that with the right and different leadership they could be "good soldiers".
There has to be a reality in the process, we cannot run around wringing our hands forever.
Frankie, I can see your contributions as a site leader becoming more important in these matters. You seem to understand who these guys are and if you can single them out and educate us about them.....we can maybe start working together!
I agree with the general sentiment here. I'm against a rookie. But it looks like it's Ryles or Hannay. Of the 2 I'd go Hannay.
I wonder if the selection committe actually read any of our shit.
One of the reasons I posted this stuff on TCT was that they may(?) read it over there.
Pops great blog, and comments by all.
It appears Cheika is out of the running according to Brent Read on today's MMM's Ready's Mail who allegedly spoke to Cheika yesterday.
Allegedly, a disappointed Cheika was informed last week he was out of the running as they were concerned about "his capacity" to deal with the "day-to-day" dramas of NRL head coaching. But, wouldn't a rookie make even less sense with their lesser experience?
Looks like we'll get an announcement after Origin. Ryles or Hannay, probably. But who knows.
PS: JD told MMM Monday he was advised by the board he was out of the running last week.
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