Hell On Eels > Cʜɪᴇғy MclovinMay 23, 2026 at 1:05pm
You're manipulating my words, Chief. A broken record player parroting the same thing over and over.
Stefano is on record that he left because BA had RCG and Paulo, and he wasn't a big part of the rotation plan.
And who had Matt Arthur lined up as the next big thing? BA wasn't all that fussed about losing Reed.
And Kaeon for $6m on the cap? $1.2m per year on the cap. Pfff. We passed. As did Souths.
And Dylan on a record breaking $13m on the cap? $1.3m per year on the cap. Pfff. You think a club can hold a player to randsom. 98% of players aren't signed to ten year contracts. Fair dinkum. They are going to be off contract at some point. No other club was going to go near that. He got a deal of a lifetime. He's a father and building a family.
Reality gentlemen.
Mate, let's agree to disagree on some of these points. And move on.
Let's get back on topic. Or move your sack-a-holic spiel to another more relevant blog. You have already created enough of those: more than you can poke a stick at. Plenty of choice.
If you try to hold the head of football and the recruitment team to account you are scapegoating but throwing it all onto the coach apparently isn't.
Claiming the head coach has final say is scapegoating, sure, he has fi al say but you need to put some context to it. Do you seriously think ryles said " go get me Brian kelly", no, he would have asked the recruitment team to get him an outside back, the best available, they came back with Kelly or no-one. So yeah, he has final say but can only choose from those presented.
Take this discussion on sackings to another blog. There are plenty Chief and that FB petition agenda guy with 66 signatures have already posted. Why poison every blog with this repetitive spiel.
Dylan should have never ever got into the situation where he could negotiate. Thats a complete failure on behalf of O'neill
O'neill 8 years has to be most accountable for the situation we are now in. These are the facts
Ryles cant be expected to manage the cap, manage each grade, carry out negotiations with each individual recruit and retention, deal with day to day player issues, create game plans, manage selections and everything that goes with coaching and be expected to be responsible for the entire roster.
But yet BA was expected to that and you abused him over it? Right ok. So if Ryles is not responsible for the roster why was BA hated by you for so long? Ryles doesn't get a say at all and MON just buys players and Ryles doesn't say yes or no beforehand? Makes sense.
Also about not letting Brown get to November 1. What if he wanted to get to November 1? What if his management said to him let's test our market. What happens then? What happens if they say "Dylan, we want to extend" and he replies "Nah, I want to test my value on the market" what happens then? Cannot force players to sign.
Ive already answered the question with my above post.
Now you explain why o'neill has been a resounding success. Go right ahead
Coryn Hughes > Cʜɪᴇғy MclovinMay 23, 2026 at 12:18pm
The clubs had success with MoN and co when BA was here we had a premiership challenging roster then and were the only team that gave the juggernaut Penrith Panthers a run consistently so I'll give credit for doing his job then.
The question is now can he do the same with JR can the mentioned and JR build a contender.Indications are not great at the moment and like the last few years of the last regime injuries rule changes and alike have played there part.
The bigger factors IMO and I think this is a bit damning how is it the bottom rung St George Dragons can fire a coach have absolute chaos going on in the back round but yet sign Kolomatangi Drinkwater and Metcalfe in the space of 6 months yet here we are still trying to find a long term solution for Dylan Brown 12 odd months after him signing for Newcastle.Why are we like a glacier that moves a foot a year I don't get it.We have everything these other clubs have off the park yet some how we aren't in contention for top tier talent when they come to market.Something isn't right.MoN JS MB our R N R what who is it.
One of the biggest if not the biggest club in Sydney and in the nrl treated like the red headed step child when it comes to recruiting and signing the mentioned.
Adam Magrath > Cʜɪᴇғy MclovinMay 23, 2026 at 12:57pm
We've all had jobs that have required standards, things that are measurable and can be directly attributable to our own performance. Not things that could be effected by external influences.
I don't know, and I don't claim to know, but I reckon salary cap compliance would be something as an example that would be directly attributable to mark oneill. If you disagree please say so. Have we been cap compliant during his tenure?
When one of our players leaves, or a player on the open market signs with a rival club. Can you grasp that there's factors at play that aren't within our control, hence aren't a reflection of how well someone within our organisation is doing their job.
There's also an element of judgement, the need to predict what will happen in the future, which as we all know doesn't always turn out the way we think. So when we offer a contract to a player, I'm sure due diligence is being done. But there's no certainty to anything, it's to some extent a leap of faith. All the "experts " on here get to see things from the other end, when a call goes south (which happens ) and call for people to be sacked.
A 40 yr break between drinks tends to have that effect no and that's not on fans that's on the club.
Now wheather they want to look good infront of the masses and still lose well that's another issue.Much like the style of play and coaching of the team do we really care as long as we walk a fine line on & off the park push the boundaries for winning solutions that's all this is really.As we know everyone else is doing it so why aren't we.Who cares if it's brown paper bags a house agreed to be built once a players retired who really cares as long as we get this gorilla off our backs.
As of right now go ask your average Parra fan if they think what's being dished up is a solution to ending this drought I think you'll get much the same response that appears here on the regular.
Again and I'll make it plain it's not upto the fans to change it's upto the club to rearrange the narrative once that happens the fans will follow.
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You're manipulating my words, Chief. A broken record player parroting the same thing over and over.
Stefano is on record that he left because BA had RCG and Paulo, and he wasn't a big part of the rotation plan.
And who had Matt Arthur lined up as the next big thing? BA wasn't all that fussed about losing Reed.
And Kaeon for $6m on the cap? $1.2m per year on the cap. Pfff. We passed. As did Souths.
And Dylan on a record breaking $13m on the cap? $1.3m per year on the cap. Pfff. You think a club can hold a player to randsom. 98% of players aren't signed to ten year contracts. Fair dinkum. They are going to be off contract at some point. No other club was going to go near that. He got a deal of a lifetime. He's a father and building a family.
Reality gentlemen.
Mate, let's agree to disagree on some of these points. And move on.
Let's get back on topic. Or move your sack-a-holic spiel to another more relevant blog. You have already created enough of those: more than you can poke a stick at. Plenty of choice.
If you try to hold the head of football and the recruitment team to account you are scapegoating but throwing it all onto the coach apparently isn't.
Claiming the head coach has final say is scapegoating, sure, he has fi al say but you need to put some context to it. Do you seriously think ryles said " go get me Brian kelly", no, he would have asked the recruitment team to get him an outside back, the best available, they came back with Kelly or no-one. So yeah, he has final say but can only choose from those presented.
Take this discussion on sackings to another blog. There are plenty Chief and that FB petition agenda guy with 66 signatures have already posted. Why poison every blog with this repetitive spiel.
Dylan should have never ever got into the situation where he could negotiate. Thats a complete failure on behalf of O'neill
O'neill 8 years has to be most accountable for the situation we are now in. These are the facts
Ryles cant be expected to manage the cap, manage each grade, carry out negotiations with each individual recruit and retention, deal with day to day player issues, create game plans, manage selections and everything that goes with coaching and be expected to be responsible for the entire roster.
Where did I complain about team selections
But yet BA was expected to that and you abused him over it? Right ok. So if Ryles is not responsible for the roster why was BA hated by you for so long? Ryles doesn't get a say at all and MON just buys players and Ryles doesn't say yes or no beforehand? Makes sense.
Also about not letting Brown get to November 1. What if he wanted to get to November 1? What if his management said to him let's test our market. What happens then? What happens if they say "Dylan, we want to extend" and he replies "Nah, I want to test my value on the market" what happens then? Cannot force players to sign.
Let's not throw stones now Chief.
Ive already answered the question with my above post.
Now you explain why o'neill has been a resounding success. Go right ahead
The clubs had success with MoN and co when BA was here we had a premiership challenging roster then and were the only team that gave the juggernaut Penrith Panthers a run consistently so I'll give credit for doing his job then.
The question is now can he do the same with JR can the mentioned and JR build a contender.Indications are not great at the moment and like the last few years of the last regime injuries rule changes and alike have played there part.
The bigger factors IMO and I think this is a bit damning how is it the bottom rung St George Dragons can fire a coach have absolute chaos going on in the back round but yet sign Kolomatangi Drinkwater and Metcalfe in the space of 6 months yet here we are still trying to find a long term solution for Dylan Brown 12 odd months after him signing for Newcastle.Why are we like a glacier that moves a foot a year I don't get it.We have everything these other clubs have off the park yet some how we aren't in contention for top tier talent when they come to market.Something isn't right.MoN JS MB our R N R what who is it.
One of the biggest if not the biggest club in Sydney and in the nrl treated like the red headed step child when it comes to recruiting and signing the mentioned.
We've all had jobs that have required standards, things that are measurable and can be directly attributable to our own performance. Not things that could be effected by external influences.
I don't know, and I don't claim to know, but I reckon salary cap compliance would be something as an example that would be directly attributable to mark oneill. If you disagree please say so. Have we been cap compliant during his tenure?
When one of our players leaves, or a player on the open market signs with a rival club. Can you grasp that there's factors at play that aren't within our control, hence aren't a reflection of how well someone within our organisation is doing their job.
There's also an element of judgement, the need to predict what will happen in the future, which as we all know doesn't always turn out the way we think. So when we offer a contract to a player, I'm sure due diligence is being done. But there's no certainty to anything, it's to some extent a leap of faith. All the "experts " on here get to see things from the other end, when a call goes south (which happens ) and call for people to be sacked.
A 40 yr break between drinks tends to have that effect no and that's not on fans that's on the club.
Now wheather they want to look good infront of the masses and still lose well that's another issue.Much like the style of play and coaching of the team do we really care as long as we walk a fine line on & off the park push the boundaries for winning solutions that's all this is really.As we know everyone else is doing it so why aren't we.Who cares if it's brown paper bags a house agreed to be built once a players retired who really cares as long as we get this gorilla off our backs.
As of right now go ask your average Parra fan if they think what's being dished up is a solution to ending this drought I think you'll get much the same response that appears here on the regular.
Again and I'll make it plain it's not upto the fans to change it's upto the club to rearrange the narrative once that happens the fans will follow.
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