Lots of rumors im seeing on social media. Has anyone herd this? Are we happy with this if it happens? I think burto/moses could be lethal
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I don't think I'm getting this out right. I understand what you're saying but what if he could get half money to play centre? Would he be that against playing centre if the coin is right? As Coryn said in a latter post we desperately need to add some quality to our outside backs. I'd deadset pay 900 for Burton and 1.2 for Herbie. That's how much we need to improve here. There's nothing coming through at centre
Right though the thing is paying close to a mil for a Centre is not smart cap management unless it is a once in a generation talent. Farnworth it is too much but also he is the best Centre in the world so it is easier to swallow.
At the same time, he could very well get same money elsewhere to play 6.
You can add quality without completely ruining your cap. Xerri, Timoko, Tago, Jenkins. Players that even paying slight overs wouldn't break your cap. If you are going to pay close to a mil for a Centre, Herbie and Critta and maybe Staggs are the options. Even then it is a hard on your cap but are getting the best in their position.
If there was absolutely nothing on the market at Centre, then I could digest paying Burton top tier money and saying you're a Centre take it or leave it. But there are options that are slightly cheaper and will improve our team without breaking bank.
I would not be surprised in the slightest if the plan is Penisini and Samrani Centre pairing. Maybe Tago signing perhaps.
Though could also see us grabbing, for argument sakes, Jenkins, Burton at 6 and a top forward and having that.
yeah it is all speculation though there is a pattern of Burton leaving to be a 6. No coincidence that as soon as Mitch Woods chatter, Metcalf link and Galvin moving to 6 to accommodate either that Burton has one eye on the exit.
Look if we got Burton to play Centre, which obviously do not think he will agree to, then that is incredible recruitment. I would not be against it one bit. Just find it very, very unlikely.
It is when the market is so competitive and you have a half that's in the latter part of his career and the kicker you've got nothing that looks like nrl quality in your outside back ranks.
We are so devoid there.I mean at one point way back when how much would a Semi Radradra be worth in todays market.Going for Burton is also a move we could make but with out those horses on the outside I think we are still in the same situation we are in now.
I actually agree with parts of this. Our outside backs absolutely need upgrading and in today’s market elite strike outside backs are worth more than they were 10 years ago. If a prime Semi was around today he’d command massive money because genuine game breaking outside backs are rare.
Where I still think Burton is different is that you are talking about paying him as if he is already a top tier Centre when he hasn’t proven that over a long period in the NRL. He had a great 2021 season, though was it him or being in a once in a lifetime Penrith outfit that made him look amazing?
If we signed Herbie, Critta or even someone like Staggs, you know exactly what you are buying because they are established Centres first and foremost. Burton’s value has always come from being a spine player.
That’s why I think there’s a difference between:
and
Also if Moses is in the latter part of his career, that almost strengthens the argument for Burton being signed as a 6 rather than a Centre. At some point you’ll need another genuine organising spine player there anyway.
I definitely agree we need more strike out wide though. I just think Burton is far more likely to be targeted as a long term 6 by clubs than a permanent Centre.
You say paying a million for a centre is not smart cap management but your thinking is too narrow and is conventional thinking. Our overarching goal is obviously to build a premiership team within the confines of the cap. Conventional thinking is to start with your spine. For the sake of the conversation let's throw out the below numbers and players
7- Moses $1.4
1- Iongi $600k
6- Lorenzo $200k
9- Riley and TDS $900k
We are still probably $1.5million less in our spine that what Melbourne has traditionally been paying. So where else do match winners come from? Centre or Wing. Apart from JAC we are extremely weak in this area.
Herbie makes us a better defensive team, a better attacking team, he would attract more defenders giving more space for Lorenzo or JAC. He also likes to roam and pop up on the right hand side at times which adds another dimension and makes him worth as much as a fullback to an extent
For me it's a no brainer.
I don’t think my view is narrow minded at all, I think it is just risk assessment within a salary cap.
I completely understand your point about not needing to follow conventional roster building and using spare cap outside the spine to strengthen other areas. Melbourne have done that for years. I also agree elite Centres and outside backs can absolutely change a team. Herbie is proof of that.
Where I disagree is paying close to a mil for someone who is not yet proven elite in that actual position.
Herbie at $1.2m? Expensive, but you are buying arguably the best Centre in the world in his prime who has already proven he can dominate games from Centre week in week out both offensively and defensively.
Burton at close to a mil to play Centre is different because you are paying projection rather than proven output. His entire market value has been built as a 6. His kicking game, touches, game management and involvement are what make him worth marquee money. At Centre he simply does not get the same involvement.
Could he become elite there? Absolutely. Could it end up genius recruitment? Definitely. But there is also a real chance you are paying premium spine money for a player in a position where he has not proven he can consistently be top tier over a full NRL season.
I also think the likelihood of Burton even coming to Parra specifically to play Centre is very low. The pattern throughout his career has been pretty obvious. He left Penrith to become a long term 6, and now as soon as uncertainty appears around his spine role at the Dogs, exit talk starts again. That doesn’t scream “player happy to permanently play Centre” to me.
If anything, I think if Burton leaves it will be because he wants clarity that he is a long term spine player somewhere. Especially when clubs like Perth could likely offer him both big money and a guaranteed 6 role full time.
That’s why I’d rather:
So I’m not saying it is impossible. I just think from both Burton’s perspective and cap management perspective, it is a much riskier move than you’re making it sound.
Don't think he would need to recommend him. Ryles would have know all about him before chasing, if they are chasing. If anything, Ryles asked JAC his opinion of playing alongside Burto.
The only people we need to sign from the dogs are.
1. Jack Underhill - what a beast of a player and so young. Will be a origin prop.
2. Xerrie - is the most dangerous left side centre we could get for 2027, if he goes to market will be an excellent replacement for Russell.
How good was underhill sunshine coast boy. People on here say there are no players around Hahahaha. Xerri would be a good get. Burton is overpaid on performance.
He is honestly a great player already would be stoked to sign him
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