Hell On Eels > Cʜɪᴇғy MclovinMay 23, 2026 at 1:05pm
You're manipulating my words, Chief. A broken record player parroting the same thing over and over.
Stefano is on record that he left because BA had RCG and Paulo, and he wasn't a big part of the rotation plan.
And who had Matt Arthur lined up as the next big thing? BA wasn't all that fussed about losing Reed.
And Kaeon for $6m on the cap? $1.2m per year on the cap. Pfff. We passed. As did Souths.
And Dylan on a record breaking $13m on the cap? $1.3m per year on the cap. Pfff. You think a club can hold a player to randsom. 98% of players aren't signed to ten year contracts. Fair dinkum. They are going to be off contract at some point. No other club was going to go near that. He got a deal of a lifetime. He's a father and building a family.
Reality gentlemen.
Mate, let's agree to disagree on some of these points. And move on.
Let's get back on topic. Or move your sack-a-holic spiel to another more relevant blog. You have already created enough of those: more than you can poke a stick at. Plenty of choice.
If you try to hold the head of football and the recruitment team to account you are scapegoating but throwing it all onto the coach apparently isn't.
Claiming the head coach has final say is scapegoating, sure, he has fi al say but you need to put some context to it. Do you seriously think ryles said " go get me Brian kelly", no, he would have asked the recruitment team to get him an outside back, the best available, they came back with Kelly or no-one. So yeah, he has final say but can only choose from those presented.
Ive already answered the question with my above post.
Now you explain why o'neill has been a resounding success. Go right ahead
Coryn Hughes > Cʜɪᴇғy MclovinMay 23, 2026 at 12:18pm
The clubs had success with MoN and co when BA was here we had a premiership challenging roster then and were the only team that gave the juggernaut Penrith Panthers a run consistently so I'll give credit for doing his job then.
The question is now can he do the same with JR can the mentioned and JR build a contender.Indications are not great at the moment and like the last few years of the last regime injuries rule changes and alike have played there part.
The bigger factors IMO and I think this is a bit damning how is it the bottom rung St George Dragons can fire a coach have absolute chaos going on in the back round but yet sign Kolomatangi Drinkwater and Metcalfe in the space of 6 months yet here we are still trying to find a long term solution for Dylan Brown 12 odd months after him signing for Newcastle.Why are we like a glacier that moves a foot a year I don't get it.We have everything these other clubs have off the park yet some how we aren't in contention for top tier talent when they come to market.Something isn't right.MoN JS MB our R N R what who is it.
One of the biggest if not the biggest club in Sydney and in the nrl treated like the red headed step child when it comes to recruiting and signing the mentioned.
Adam Magrath > Cʜɪᴇғy MclovinMay 23, 2026 at 12:57pm
We've all had jobs that have required standards, things that are measurable and can be directly attributable to our own performance. Not things that could be effected by external influences.
I don't know, and I don't claim to know, but I reckon salary cap compliance would be something as an example that would be directly attributable to mark oneill. If you disagree please say so. Have we been cap compliant during his tenure?
When one of our players leaves, or a player on the open market signs with a rival club. Can you grasp that there's factors at play that aren't within our control, hence aren't a reflection of how well someone within our organisation is doing their job.
There's also an element of judgement, the need to predict what will happen in the future, which as we all know doesn't always turn out the way we think. So when we offer a contract to a player, I'm sure due diligence is being done. But there's no certainty to anything, it's to some extent a leap of faith. All the "experts " on here get to see things from the other end, when a call goes south (which happens ) and call for people to be sacked.
Lorenzo is at the present time a myth, might be great, might be good, might not be. Before we talk about losing him if Burton comes, how about we throw him in the mix and actually see. I can hear the deluge of "we've lost another superstar" whining already. For gods sake test him out, its time . People say too young , not ready, if he goes to another club* (sanders) they will throw him in to learn his craft in first grade. Its time
Can't see it happening as he seems quite happy at the Bulldogs and his contribution last night against the Raiders didn't give any indication he wasn't happy at the bulldogs.
Everyone wanting to throw Lorenzo into first grade you do realise the kid is 18... he was in SG ball last year now in cup. Do you remember Dylan Browns first few years? Injuries after injuries he couldn't play consistently. Similarly look over at Mitch Woods for the Bulldogs, young and injuries stopping him from even playing a cup game this year. At 18 you are not ready for week in week out first grade. Sign a five eighth for 3-4 years. Lorenzo will be 21... still has over 10 years of first grade to play.
"Fair call, EA. Wise.
Based on that zerotackle article from LB, you're right: Lorenzo will be 20 soonish. It's just his physicality at NRL level I wonder about, and the grind. It'd be a lot happier if Su'a was his Tony Carroll.
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Claiming the head coach has final say is scapegoating, sure, he has fi al say but you need to put…"
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You're manipulating my words, Chief. A broken record player parroting the same thing over and over.
Stefano is on record that he left because BA had RCG and Paulo, and he wasn't a big part of the rotation plan.
And who had Matt Arthur lined up as the next big thing? BA wasn't all that fussed about losing Reed.
And Kaeon for $6m on the cap? $1.2m per year on the cap. Pfff. We passed. As did Souths.
And Dylan on a record breaking $13m on the cap? $1.3m per year on the cap. Pfff. You think a club can hold a player to randsom. 98% of players aren't signed to ten year contracts. Fair dinkum. They are going to be off contract at some point. No other club was going to go near that. He got a deal of a lifetime. He's a father and building a family.
Reality gentlemen.
Mate, let's agree to disagree on some of these points. And move on.
Let's get back on topic. Or move your sack-a-holic spiel to another more relevant blog. You have already created enough of those: more than you can poke a stick at. Plenty of choice.
If you try to hold the head of football and the recruitment team to account you are scapegoating but throwing it all onto the coach apparently isn't.
Claiming the head coach has final say is scapegoating, sure, he has fi al say but you need to put some context to it. Do you seriously think ryles said " go get me Brian kelly", no, he would have asked the recruitment team to get him an outside back, the best available, they came back with Kelly or no-one. So yeah, he has final say but can only choose from those presented.
Ive already answered the question with my above post.
Now you explain why o'neill has been a resounding success. Go right ahead
The clubs had success with MoN and co when BA was here we had a premiership challenging roster then and were the only team that gave the juggernaut Penrith Panthers a run consistently so I'll give credit for doing his job then.
The question is now can he do the same with JR can the mentioned and JR build a contender.Indications are not great at the moment and like the last few years of the last regime injuries rule changes and alike have played there part.
The bigger factors IMO and I think this is a bit damning how is it the bottom rung St George Dragons can fire a coach have absolute chaos going on in the back round but yet sign Kolomatangi Drinkwater and Metcalfe in the space of 6 months yet here we are still trying to find a long term solution for Dylan Brown 12 odd months after him signing for Newcastle.Why are we like a glacier that moves a foot a year I don't get it.We have everything these other clubs have off the park yet some how we aren't in contention for top tier talent when they come to market.Something isn't right.MoN JS MB our R N R what who is it.
One of the biggest if not the biggest club in Sydney and in the nrl treated like the red headed step child when it comes to recruiting and signing the mentioned.
We've all had jobs that have required standards, things that are measurable and can be directly attributable to our own performance. Not things that could be effected by external influences.
I don't know, and I don't claim to know, but I reckon salary cap compliance would be something as an example that would be directly attributable to mark oneill. If you disagree please say so. Have we been cap compliant during his tenure?
When one of our players leaves, or a player on the open market signs with a rival club. Can you grasp that there's factors at play that aren't within our control, hence aren't a reflection of how well someone within our organisation is doing their job.
There's also an element of judgement, the need to predict what will happen in the future, which as we all know doesn't always turn out the way we think. So when we offer a contract to a player, I'm sure due diligence is being done. But there's no certainty to anything, it's to some extent a leap of faith. All the "experts " on here get to see things from the other end, when a call goes south (which happens ) and call for people to be sacked.
welcome anyone , as long as they can improve especially under our coach and his staff . just saying.
Lorenzo is at the present time a myth, might be great, might be good, might not be. Before we talk about losing him if Burton comes, how about we throw him in the mix and actually see. I can hear the deluge of "we've lost another superstar" whining already. For gods sake test him out, its time . People say too young , not ready, if he goes to another club* (sanders) they will throw him in to learn his craft in first grade. Its time
Can't see it happening as he seems quite happy at the Bulldogs and his contribution last night against the Raiders didn't give any indication he wasn't happy at the bulldogs.
Didn't know the Raiders wore purple.
Everyone wanting to throw Lorenzo into first grade you do realise the kid is 18... he was in SG ball last year now in cup. Do you remember Dylan Browns first few years? Injuries after injuries he couldn't play consistently. Similarly look over at Mitch Woods for the Bulldogs, young and injuries stopping him from even playing a cup game this year. At 18 you are not ready for week in week out first grade. Sign a five eighth for 3-4 years. Lorenzo will be 21... still has over 10 years of first grade to play.
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