PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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So we've got just another totalitarian lefty moderator, who cannot tolerate opposing views. This only reaffirms my claims. Censoring me isn't going to alter my arguments.
Bob, were you arguments continued calls for civil war and concentration camps for leftists? I just want to know if they are what you consider "well considered"?
Spare me your moralising, defender of murder.
Bob Smith, Pull Your Head in. Pretty please.
1. Only one of your posts was deleted. The only one in this blog.
2. I already warned everyone. Others have been largely civil.
3. Your calls for war & carting masses off to camps among others are calls for violence. Extremist.
You're lying. Put the posts back and show me.
Gentlemen,
I really don't want this blog to be closed. It's been largely civil up to this point.
One post (Bob Smith's) has been deleted for breaching COCs. I already warned of this from the onset.
No, there were 5 posts. Put them back and explain how there were not civil.
Bob,
1. One of your posts was deleted for breaching COCs. Up to this point. As warned. It's the only one in this blog deleted to date.
2. Any other posts you falsely assume to have been deleted have been removed from the Activity List. Not deleted. They still exist in this blog.
3. If you continue to harass others, incite, call for violence regularly breaching COCs, don't expect anything less.
You cry "Poor me", "Victim Me", "censorship crime", "You totalitarian Liar HOE", my post got "deleted" WHILE calling for extreme forms of MASS censorship and violent totalitarian removal of civil liberties: carting off masses (potentially 100-150 million) to work camps after a Civil War. And you lecture on Self-Introspection and individual rights?
At the end of the day, it's a footy forum not a radical religious-political forum in a social setting with COC rules. If you can't abide by them, then you're just going to have to take the consequences on the chin with your Big Boy Pants on.
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