PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Daz , For once we've found some middle ground , I agree that the " uuuuurgh im going to take the time to post that this topic doesn't interest me " is dumb , can both go a step further and agree that Ploppas post game wrap ups are nauseating ?
What Ploppa may not realise is these off season blogs pay the bills. Ploppa find me another rugby league privately run platform that generates as many hits during their teams offseason as this one . Are you that much of a moth you can't stop yourself flying into the light to click the link?
Ploppa wasn't here during the real bleak Parra supporter years when the offseason blogs probably kept the fucking doors open. When he's paying $5 a month to use the place he'll be crying in his Uncle Toby's oats asking how the place can attract more revenue to cover the costs.
Fuck! Both you guys really showed up!
I wrote a 2 line post about unpacking baggage and the replies were the comments and attacks of the school bullies being nice to each other........
Nobody can question your intellect Daz and even Wiz put up a "fair" performance for an un/educated idiot from Wollongong...... but what do you honestly think you have left to prove that the average joe maybe be interested in ?
It's my choice to click on or click off, not some high and mighty intellect of the ages who wouldn't believe Jesus Christ if he walked up to him in the teachers classrooom and told him that you missed the masses!
I have something to offer with your SIFT Strategy......its called FIFO and it stands for Fit In or Fuck Off!
PS Sir Col the Mushroom and myself were instrumental in pushing the whole concept of the "ORF SEEZUN"
lol the 1EE offseason was going for what a decade+ before you graced us with your presence. And yes Col was certainly part of that. You taking credit is laughable. It's like me taking credit for defeating Hitler in the war. Not remotely realistic. Once upon a time there were hundreds of offseason ( NON FOOTY ) threads that were hundreds of pages long. You'd have died if this one makes you cry.
Listen, you lost your battle for the "right" and should now learn to shut your mouth for 5 minutes. I have no idea who that is a picture of.....but I will remind you that I have been on here for over 10 years and it was Sir Col and myself that launched the terminology of "orf seezun".
No one cried or is crying over the length of this blog, it was a great read...."I piped up with how much baggage do you want to unpack" I was "taking the piss" with "bloody lefties".
I had previously commented that I thought there were no winners but I thought the
"left won"....... you didn't like that because essentially Daz "wiped" the floor with you , so you come completely out of context with your current ramble......back into your hole Wizard, you were shown up for what you are.....
There were some great posts in the whole thread by many, unfortunately WIz you were catapulted out the back, Randy even made you look stoopid!
Poppa I cannot figure out if that is Brad Arthur watching the Eels actually defend under Ryles, or Tony Abbott after eating another onion.
I mean , you put a name on the off season blogs which have been going since the sites creation. It's like me calling the regular season " The Reeeegular seezen " and thinking I've given the regular season some imaginary momentum. Ridiculous.
Some of us were keeping the off season chugging along for over a decade before you lobbed up. You're still an apprentice.
Oh Poppa, while I do in fact believe you and Sir Col (RIP you glorious old codger) started orf seezun, there could never be FIFO on an Eels fan site, aside from some minimal starting preconditions such as a) don't be a closet fan of another team (if so FO), or b) don't treat the code of conduct as so optional that you have a mortgage on breaking it.
Also, Poppa, how did you get from your choice to click on or off to some high and might intellect telling you to click on or off? Poppa! That's nonsense you smurf. And that's not meant as an insult to smurfs; it's not an identity prejudice, because blue is as good as any other colour.
PS: you are right that I would disbelieve Jesus. But I believe in equality so all sky faires were created equal and thus I would not believe any sky fairy.
Well at least you owned up to the 'high and mighty intellect" which assumably puts you on the same level of "all the sky fairies".
"That's nonsense you smurf. And that's not meant as an insult to smurfs; it's not an identity prejudice, because blue is as good as any other colour. "
You call me a "smurf but it is not an insult to all smurfs" presumably just to me, does that mean all smurfs are not equal, even the ones that aren't blue?
Good to see some comedy in the process, there is a tendency to take things too seriously for a football forum and that's why the "old codger" god bless him came up with the expression of "orf seezun" when we tried to put some emphasis on giving life to it.
God knows where Wiz got his emphasis from but the "hyperbole" never ceases with his commentaries on 100 page blogs.....since god knows, I am sure we will have someone on here to provide an opinion.
Well, Poppa, I thought I should ask the internet if it was true, that all smurfs are blue. The internet told me there was an episode with a yellow smurf and others with multi-coloured smurfs. Apparently the wife of the creator of the smurfs chose blue randomly. So blue is a defining feature of smurfs, chosen by 'The Wife of the Creator of Smurfs', who maybe then let genetics do the rest of the work? Not only do I think you're a good blue smurf, I think you would be OK with this discovery of non-blue smurfs. Smurf Equality!
Interestingly, and here comes a giant metaphor so run with me here, there is no smurfs episode where the blue smurfs start killing yellow smurfs or multi-coloured smurfs for not being blue. Nor any smurfs episode where blue smurfs said they were not racist against yellow and multi-coloured smurfs but nevertheless had serious doubts those non-blue smurfs got their jobs or were successful in their careers on merit. Nor any smurfs episode where the blue smurfs called the non-blue smurfs prowling non-blue smurfs. Nor any smurfs episode where the blue smurfs had a meltdown about non-blue smurfs becoming more common and started talking, while saying they are not racist blue smurfs, that blue smurfs were the victims of a great replacement under way. Nor any smurfs episode where the blue smurfs said they are not racist but have you heard this joke about non-blue smurfs dying, in places like Minneapolis and Gaza. Nor was there any smurfs episode where some creepy blue smurf, who said he is not a racist blue smurf, but nevertheless regarded as a mistake the Civil Rights Act that affirmed non-blue and blue smurfs were equal.
Charlie Kirk was THAT blue smurf. Nobody should be THAT blue smurf.
I have thought deeply about what you have said Daz, obviously not doing the homework that you have time consumingly put in!
So I did my own personal research, past lives directional and established a precedent of when I was a "Blue Whale" it was a difficult time for me with all that harpooning going on but i met a Professor called MOBY who whilst a bit of a DICK inspired me to write a book on the subject. You were right racism and genocide came into play but I was never convinced it was just because I was Blue!
Of course this was made famous in an episode of Seinfield when George saved me by extracting a golf ball from my Blow Hole.......a very nasty experience.
Have you ever had a golf ball in your blow hole Daz?
I have looked further into this and can confirm that there was no relationship between Gregory Peck in to "Kill a Mockingbird" and his role of Captain Aheb in the movie version.....some equality lines not withstanding!
Gee I bet you are glad you brought up my "Blue" background....it just goes to show what you can achieve by sitting in the centre!
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