PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Actually, no. Quite the opposite of what you assume. Over-assuming hasn't served me well in life tbh.
I remember talking to someone about the shooter when he was first captured — when he was Left for sure, then Right (MAGA family), now seemingly Left-leaning with a trans partner — he looked troubled. I swelled up for the Kirk family, and even the shooter and family as strangely contradictory as that sounds.
Going by gut and Peterson’s personality correlations, he might naturally lean Left, though there’s evidence of far-right influence (Groypers, MAGA). At 22, he was barely out of adolescence. And yet, us adults are so invested in his political leaning. That's telling. Perhaps he was caught in a tangle of radical ideologies: MAGA, far-right extremism, college politics, gaming violence, and personal conflicts, his feelings for his trans partner, and probably an inner leaning that may have not fitted in with his world. A dangerous hotpot. Maybe the truth is more nuanced and uncomfortable? I really don't know though. Just thinking out loud. Rather than making concrete conclusions.
Bottom line: his sociopathic actions led to murder and mayhem. The consequences, regardles, are as dire as they are tragic. And I fear a wider spreading impact judging by all the rhetoric. Maybe that's what the shooter wanted?
I have no real interest in or fear of Trans...but i will say this.
My daughter hs a core group of 30odd friends who traversed a selective high-school together. Many different Uni's,but they are still tight as fuck in their mid 20's. They are a joy to be around and i class every single one of them as high quality friends. They have become some of my most valued friends. They do not come empty handed. Talking with them adds rich colour to my life.
One of them(La-La) has been trans from the get go. No-one else was "infected" by our "virulent" compadre. Why would she encourage anyone else to go Trans??? It's a tragically hard internal path La-La walks, lined with external rock-throwers she has never met There is no payoff for her other than feeling internally consistent. She is not in it for the outrage so keep your fucking ideological mitts off her or her friends will get involved
La-La can be a bit flakey, sure, but LaLa is absolutely genuine and totally non-violent. The rest of us are fiercely protective of her and will give not one inch on her right to an ordinary life. She housemates with our former aust jnr Middleweight champ friend. This helps her feel safe. Lets her feel safe in her home, like you or me.
Stomping on her rights, including her right to live in peace, unharrassed, will NOT wash with us. And we won't just sit around whineing. We will defend her.
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How do you think Jewish people feel, are they not entitled to feel safe like LaLa but many fighting for trans rights are also projecting the same hatred to other groups. Should I feel safe if I choose to wear a T-shirt with the Australian flag on it because I am not.
Should Kirk have felt safe talking at a university, of course he should have.
There is plenty of talk about safe spaces and entitled to safety but it seems many on extremes of both sides don't feel everyone deserves the same rights. The problem is the extreme left is a lot deeper then the extreme right and the centre leaning left will support their extremist more than centre leaning right people support far right.
The majority believe in rights for everyone so please tell me who is stomping on LaLa's rights.
This is the thing, last week there were what 7 or 8 fuckwits , actual dead set fuckwits , starved for attention , who were literally fighting with peaceful Australians having a march for their own reasons. It doesn't matter what their reasons are , or whether you agree with them , they were peacefully doing what they are entitled to do.
And yet, every MSM source were presenting them as a big bunch of Australian rascist bogan bigots , Cronulla Riots Mach 2 . Would I feel like I would not get looked own upon wearing a Aussie flag shirt to the shop ? No way , you'd be boo'd and spat at anywhere Wollongong Uni at the busy time of day , true story.
As for La -La , I frequented DCM and Oxford street for years , we mingled and partied with trans people , our whole generation did.
So what's different for La-La now in this generation that makes La- La ( or you ) think La-La is in any imminent danger ? Perception ? Or have you actually seen this with your own eyes ? Or is it the LBGTI political movement leading you to believe that their members are in far more danger then we all realise unless we have this big bunch of super smelly , radical , screaming , violent , fuckwits , to keep everyone safe from people like me ?
I find it fascinating (in a bad way) that promoting the flag of the country that we live in is looked down upon by some or many that live in this very country.
Is our country perfect, certainly not. Could we do many things better, absolutely. But, we are lucky enough to live in a great country, maybe the best. We should celebrate that fact.
Well it's the left who feel that waving the Aussie flag is a shameful thing to do and it's the left who believe that we should be ashamed of Australia's history .
That's an over generalized assumption. I'm centre Left. I like people waving the Australian Don't have an issue. It's inspiring, especially when it's in an international sporting occasion. Why shouldn't people celebrate and be proud of their country. I suppose if it were ever used to celebrate an assassination or murder, I might question it. But I can't recall having an issue with our flag to date.
HOE, as always, thanks for providing your balanced views on this whole topic.
As a thought about your response here: "I suppose if it were ever used to celebrate an assassination or murder, I might question it."
Isn't that more just a reflection of the person/people using it as a symbol of their celebration in that hypothetical scenario, rather than any blight on the flag itself?
Thanks, Meelk. You're a balanced poster mate. Kudos.
You're right in principle. It's a subjective projection and expression of their ideology.
I'm just talking about extreme cases (which who knows how extreme it is nowadays). If someone was to say assassinate a political figure and bear the Australian flag as a symbol for their cause or whatever, I would hope we denounce that quickly. That's about the only rare occasion where I might think: waving the flag isn't great. The optics and possibility for misinterpretation are just a minefield. What's your thoughts? Hypothetically, say nothing?
PS: I'm really stoked how were all being civil even in fierce disagreement. If Kirk is watching, hopefully from a good place, he might smile over it. I hope when our VIP guest, Daz, comes in, we'll stay civil. There's time lol.
Yeah it's a good point HOE, I guess circumstances would or should dictate how others, inlcuding us, should respond.
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