PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Yeah it's a good point HOE, I guess circumstances would or should dictate how others, inlcuding us, should respond.
Hoe, I re-read first thread and I was close to a celebrating vibe in it. I did not celebrate, but i went close.I despised him. I did not debase myself by pretending to be upset that he, rather than anyone else, was dead. He was a divisive talking head I am happy with my posts, but I kept it up in a partial effort to bleed some hate off Daz.
The bull wants the Matador but goes for the cape.
I failed, but if the knuckledraggers go low on him again...Gloves Off.
I hope Super leaves it open as much as possible
Agreed Fongy. Until the flag adopts pronouns and identifies as indigenous, the extreme lefties will look down on anyone who waves it. For the record, I think we need a new flag but I'll continue to wave the one we have in the short-term.
I agree that it's time for a new flag. Something that just moves us a little away from our colonial past. I also agree that whatever our flag is, I'll always support it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have too much emotion attached to this one. Family phots at events, Anzac Day, ADF, Olympics etc. Please wait till i am past.
I hate flags on shirts and merch.
A good poles are where it's at, but in frontyards it weirds me out
Love me a good flag forest
In many ways I agree Randy. I have absolutely no problem with our current flag, and would support it till the day I die. Conversely, if our great democracy decided it was time for something new, I'd be fine with that too. I'm more about what the flag represents, rather than the arbitrary colours or shapes that it actually is.
I also don't have any issue with people wearing it on their shirts, undies, thongs, whatever. It's not something I do, but I have no issue with it.
Agreed Meelk, the things our Flag represents(democracy, egalitarianism and cold beer) are what have me looking at Trump and the USRight and thinking about the fact that I may have to actively defend those things here.
The difference Wiz is the widespread vocal public calls now to harm them, after their rights have been established (by us!). They are demonised for everything under the sun. In reality, they cause fuck all damage to anyone else. Believe what you like. Do some of them talk crazy shit? OF COURSE!!! Fuckwits....(bob smith has entered the chat)
Wiz, I am not currently fighting for LaLa's rights. It's all talk right now. But if the Right follows through on it's constant "vermin" rhetoric and starts coming for her, well, i will then be coming for them. And i will not be alone
Trump said something similar: The Left is the problem. The Right essentially are victims. The Old Blame-Game-Victim routine works a treat at solving things.
How are you going to fix things? Do a Bob "Cart the Left off to work camps" Smith who calls for Civil War?
I suppose the two husband and wife Democrats getting gunned by a hard-right winger in their home along with their Labrador was their own fault? The Left's fault, or fake news.
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