You’re mixing two different things again, player value judgements and how contracting actually works.
Saying “Guymer is replicable and Tuivaiti isn’t” is just your opinion on player ceilings. That’s not proof of recruitment failure or proof a deal should already be done.
Even if you rate Tuivaiti higher, that still doesn’t change the core fact you keep skipping: contracts are a two-sided negotiation. Clubs don’t get to unilaterally decide timing, the player and manager can and do wait until November 1 to test the market, especially with expansion clubs increasing demand.
You’ve also shifted the standard a few times. First it was “no excuse, should never reach Nov 1”, then it becomes player comparisons, then it becomes “replicable vs not replicable”. None of that changes the actual mechanism of retention.
And rating a player as “not replicable” before they’ve even fully entered the open market is just projection not evidence of what the club could or couldn’t realistically secure at this point in time.
But at the end of the day, recruitment and retention isn’t just about effort or intent, it’s about player choice and timing. Clubs can want to extend a player early, but they still need the player and manager to agree. Players regularly wait until November 1 to test their value, that’s standard across the NRL.
If Tuivaiti re-signs early, the argument disappears. If he doesn’t, then you judge the outcome. But right now you’re judging a negotiation that hasn’t finished based on assumptions about value and intent.
Also, you say do not compare to Penrith again, like you are my father or something weird like that, when you have a few weeks ago using them as the benchmark? So which is it? You can only compare when it fits your narrative?
Sorry Chief, i rarely say this to people here but you are acting like an idiot.
So tell me this genius, if Parra do what you say and try and negotiate with Tuivaiti now and he says he wants to test his worth on the market, then what? You cannot force him to sign.
Chiefy do you lack comprehension skills? Do you know what consent is chiefy? I bloody sure hope you do know? Parramatta eels (one party) can have wants and needs, however if Tuivaiti (the other party) don't have those same wants, they can't force him into doing anything (signing a signature).
Trev, im not talking about Tuivaiti alone. Its been a consistent lack of retention and recruitment management overall. Thats the issue.
Its Dylan Brown, issaia papalii, Khafusi, Twidle, Utokimanu, blaze ect ect ect, add to that the lack of adequate replacements. Do you now understand the situation Trev, or do you need someone to hold your hand and explain it.
Respectfully you have no idea. I hope you are a troll trying to get a reaction. If you are not then the education system has let you down.
To the first argument there is still 5 months until November. You're acting like he is off contract for next year. If we get it done by November will you own up to going off early?
Here's one for you. Who's the best player in the game? Cleary? Why is he off contract in 2028. I thought the best players get re-signed first. There are so many good players off contract in 2028, not just Tuivati. Calm down and get a grip.
Doesnt matter what it is. With Laurie Daley coach we're fucked. He's the worst coach ever. 1/6 Series wins. We were massive favorites with better players than QLD last year yet he fucked that right up. We were even 1 up.
"100% agree Chief.....The MON apologists need to put their case forward for the status quo....at present I can only see us eclipsing the sharks (49 year), Rabbits (43 years) to 50 years no premiership I guess........
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You’re mixing two different things again, player value judgements and how contracting actually works.
Saying “Guymer is replicable and Tuivaiti isn’t” is just your opinion on player ceilings. That’s not proof of recruitment failure or proof a deal should already be done.
Even if you rate Tuivaiti higher, that still doesn’t change the core fact you keep skipping: contracts are a two-sided negotiation. Clubs don’t get to unilaterally decide timing, the player and manager can and do wait until November 1 to test the market, especially with expansion clubs increasing demand.
You’ve also shifted the standard a few times. First it was “no excuse, should never reach Nov 1”, then it becomes player comparisons, then it becomes “replicable vs not replicable”. None of that changes the actual mechanism of retention.
And rating a player as “not replicable” before they’ve even fully entered the open market is just projection not evidence of what the club could or couldn’t realistically secure at this point in time.
But at the end of the day, recruitment and retention isn’t just about effort or intent, it’s about player choice and timing. Clubs can want to extend a player early, but they still need the player and manager to agree. Players regularly wait until November 1 to test their value, that’s standard across the NRL.
If Tuivaiti re-signs early, the argument disappears. If he doesn’t, then you judge the outcome. But right now you’re judging a negotiation that hasn’t finished based on assumptions about value and intent.
Also, you say do not compare to Penrith again, like you are my father or something weird like that, when you have a few weeks ago using them as the benchmark? So which is it? You can only compare when it fits your narrative?
Sorry Chief, i rarely say this to people here but you are acting like an idiot.
Is Guymer replicable = of course
Is sam tuivaiti replicable - fk no
There's your answer
So tell me this genius, if Parra do what you say and try and negotiate with Tuivaiti now and he says he wants to test his worth on the market, then what? You cannot force him to sign.
Chiefy do you lack comprehension skills? Do you know what consent is chiefy? I bloody sure hope you do know? Parramatta eels (one party) can have wants and needs, however if Tuivaiti (the other party) don't have those same wants, they can't force him into doing anything (signing a signature).
Trev, im not talking about Tuivaiti alone. Its been a consistent lack of retention and recruitment management overall. Thats the issue.
Its Dylan Brown, issaia papalii, Khafusi, Twidle, Utokimanu, blaze ect ect ect, add to that the lack of adequate replacements. Do you now understand the situation Trev, or do you need someone to hold your hand and explain it.
Respectfully you have no idea. I hope you are a troll trying to get a reaction. If you are not then the education system has let you down.
To the first argument there is still 5 months until November. You're acting like he is off contract for next year. If we get it done by November will you own up to going off early?
Here's one for you. Who's the best player in the game? Cleary? Why is he off contract in 2028. I thought the best players get re-signed first. There are so many good players off contract in 2028, not just Tuivati. Calm down and get a grip.
So you're comparing us to Penrith who have half a dozen Australian and nsw representatives and have won 4 comps lol
Go back to bed until you can come up with a better argument.......zzzzzzz
You compared us to Penrith weeks ago Chief about??? The hell are you on about.
What u talking about willis
Doesnt matter what it is. With Laurie Daley coach we're fucked. He's the worst coach ever. 1/6 Series wins. We were massive favorites with better players than QLD last year yet he fucked that right up. We were even 1 up.
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