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First the Armenians now the Kurds.
History keeps repeating .... with the same country!
Axel,
Old heads never learn do they. They should have been born many many years ago so they could fight the good fight and sell their war stories.
I think you missed the SERBS and GREEKS and CYPRIOTS. Surely any member who has long memories can surely come out of the woodwork when it suits them and blow wind up ppls arses.
There will always be hate.
There will always be propaganda and there will always be revenge.
Where do you sit with your wise words. Can I guess all three based off your comment.
What a mess. I have no idea where to start.
Trumph has at least started sanctions against Turkey and will up the ante with tarrif-bombs if Turkey doesn't stop.
The UN, Nato, EU are just asking their NATO partner nicely: please or else what?
I can't see Turkey easily accepting armed Kurds along their borders, as they've been fighting the Kurds' PKK for 3 decades.
So far Turkey's operation is working: Syrian-Kurd civilians, the biggest losers in this operation, have been migrating from the north in their droves. Allowing Turkey to move 3.5m or so of its Syrian refugees into the Syrian "safe-zone" northern border asap.
Turkey's best bet is to win quickly, shelling and F-16 bombing, but the Kurds rebels are often a resilient mob (also ask Iraq).
The longer the Kurd rebels hold off the worse for Turkey imo. Also, the worse for the rest of the world look too.
Got to feel for the Kurds. A people of 30-50m without a genuine country. They were used to fight off ISIS, then thrown away and they still has to keep remaining ISIS/ILIL prisioners. Wonder how many of the millions of the Turkish Kurds might strike back?
I don't know if long term stability is possible around this Syrian region, or the Middle East tbh.
Too many players, too many agendas.
It's a dry-dying area waiting for a spark to light a major forest fire beyond its borders possibly. A far more imminent danger than climate change.
Even in Syria: other than Turkey v the Kurds, Syrian Assad v Syrian rebels, Iran v Saudi interests poking their nose into Syria, baying for Muslim dominance sponsoring all those Shia-Sunni militant groups, a who's who of of jihadist terrorist groups such as Hezbollah that always seem to regrow with new acroynms fighting with themselves as well as everyone else. Then there's Israel, Russia, Iraq, the US, Nato & its countries, Europe facing Turkish threats to release 3.5m refugees their way. All after Arab Spring uprisings. That's off the top of my head. Who else have I missed?
Will Russia step in? Potentially pulling others such as Saudi and Iran; and eventually the West again? A drawn out operation might help that.
Humanity at its finest. Large tribal conflicts: through political, cultural, ethnic and religious ideologies clashing. Not sure we'll ever be able to transcend these ideological identities we hold individually and en-mass; in this round of homo-sapien.
Nice summary Hellsy.
Someone once said: "There are no emotions in politics, only interests. He who is your enemy today, tomorrow may be your ally and then your enemy again the day after".
The Syrian Kurds were used by the Americans. The Syrian Kurds did most of the fighting against ISIS with the backing of the US. Once ISIS where flushed down the dunny, the Turks who supported ISIS and privately did business with them as exposed by the Russians who backed Assad's government (you're all still following what happened and what is now happening?), are now attacking the former US allies because obviously the Turks threw a bone at the Americans (who know what) because they don't want an independant Kurd State being formed in Syria. The Turks until recently were enemies of Assad's Syria but now mates. The Russians and Turks who were at each other's throats especially when the Turks downed a Russian fighter are sucking each other off and that soft cock the EU see's and hears no evil. They have their eyes closed, ears covered and a shouting "la-la-la-la" just like Jim Carey in Dumb and dumber.
All this fucking mess was started by Obama - Hillary who backed rebels in order to overthrow Assad because he wouldn't dance to their tune. It turned out that these rebels turned out to be the most extreme extremists with even Al Quaida going out of their way to call them "Nasty c*nts" which tells you that their methods were sickening even to Al Qaida who did not want to associate with them whatsever because of the negative connotations. The US had given them such an arsenal that they managed to form their own country for 2-3 years.
Good Story seems your hoping someone will listen to it.
FYI you must be kurdish to bring it up on a footy forum.
Terror in any form should be oppressed specially when they throw women and kids into do their dirty fighting. Just saying I do not agree with any form of aggression. Kurds are humans and their have their rights but dont make out its always US against the world. Reality is if they were not known as a Terrorist group minus the new names then ppl would believe your bullshit. They are just as bad as the turks or any other nationality. I may not agree with you but it doesnt make me right either, it just means I can listen to both sides of the story. Its all about the Story Teller.
"There are no emotions in politics, only interests."
That's what the car is doing, but what drives it?
Our frontal cortex: reason and planning, isn't driving us: it's not pathed to the brain or limbic (activated and integrated) until 25-30.
It's our feeling limbic system (emotions, feelings, memories, hormones) driving us until then: as our first language (bearing in mind empathy part of brain doesn't kick in until 13 normally).
Our native first-language (feelings, memories, hormones) can't be unlearnt easily.
Our Second language (reason & planning) is much harder to learn fluently.
Plus, politics and interests are everywhere. In all human relationships, families, groups, businesses and governments regardless of the political system or social engineering occuring: individually and en-masse.
President Trump drew an odd historical parallel this week as he defended his decision to pull American support from allied Kurdish fighters in northern Syria, leaving them vulnerable to a Turkish offensive that began on Wednesday.
“They’re fighting for their land,” Mr. Trump said of the Kurds on Wednesday. “And as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn’t help us in the Second World War. They didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/world/middleeast/trump-kurds-nor...
Neither did the Turks help at Normandy, actually they didn't help at all during WW2 because they were neutral, but you probably didn't know that you dumb ignorant and obtuse blonde.
I don’t think it sounds like payback , to me that comment just sounds like a “ we have no obligation to them “
i thought all you lefties wanted troops home and out of these countries anyway ? Trump can’t win no matter which way he goes .
turkey has been fighting terrorism for 20+ years from the PKK. Turkey is going after PKK to stop this but unfortunately they are gutless cowards who are hiding behind civilian areas
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