Lots of discussion going on about Da Silva and other players and people on this site being concerned about our perceived lack of success .
We need to get over our inferiority complexes and biases. The non thinkers can be like that but sensible people see it exactly the way you do.
The mentality here is similar to a public auction, people bid because they want to win, not the property but the game. They just bought one on the impulse and then miss the one they really wanted because of that impetuous.
In saying that you still have to understand the market which means you need to inspect and understand the nuances of all the properties and who's bidding and stress that process by offering only at prices you are prepared to pay for the value expressed. Da Silva for all intents and purposes is probably worth 300k, rhetoric says he will get 600 (hoping, think Galvin).
If Riley Smith was up for auction, my guess he would pull say 450 from the right club. Whats he worth to us, my guess 350 which I hope is what he is being offered with KPI's and incentives for games played and the potential to get to that 600 number. Very Similar when we lost Mahoney. We weren't going that extra....was that a mistake .....hindsight and rhetoric still has that argument as subjective, Most at the time on here we are against matching the higher price and we lost a few players as a result.
We basically have all agreed on not matching DB's price and that has shown to be the right move given his burnout.
When we see a specific person to either obtain or retain, then we have every right to pay overs and accept the commentary of the critic's, who incidently put prices on anything with no knowledge of the current cap and how it is structured or managed. Why? because it is assumed it suits our agenda!
By all means make observation's and qualify your comments, but it is hard to be critical when you don't know.
Find out first before jumping in. Actully how desperate are we in obtaining Da Silva as against not letting someone else get him on the perception of losing an opportunity (not qualified).
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3 yrs 650 sounds about right doesn't it Pops.
For who Coryn, you or me? Lol.... honestly everything you see published or talked about is at my guess wrong!
I stress my guess, the actual price would seem to have 3 sources, one the agent, two the player and three the club.....two of them have an incentive two make it sound as high as possible, anything that the club say's is subjective to their agenda and rightfully they should say nothing.
Of course if the NRL are fair dinkum all contract prices should be published.
The media make up most of the shit but maybe the clever ones with the right contact in the "agent" world may have a clue but even then they leak what they are told to, so they do not lose their contact.
The posters on here that seem to pray on the news and then act like they are reporters are used for the same effect by the media. Social media loves the "scoopers".
Your comment about salaries is spot on. NFL do it and it works.
Michael Ennis once said he doesn't want to be out with family and people who are around him know what he is on. Well most of the top players salaries are known anyway, well thereabouts. Does it matter?
We all know the reason why, firstly TPA's would be hard to factor in. Secondly, the RLPA, players, managers and clubs want to keep scketchy dealings hush hush. By saying its invasion of privacy when deep down it is to keep doing what is being done.
Please try not to counter argue Coryn's posts as you're probably going to hurt her feelings popp.
650k per year or 650k over 3 years?
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If the Eels lost out to Manly, who are willing to pay a reported $650K over 3 years, then I'm OK with that. Personally I haven't seen his potential to warrant that much. I'd be worried if we had offered the kid over $500K.
Given Smith is going well, the big money focus needs to be on quality forwards and outside backs, and of course a 5/8 if there is one out there.
Finally, a blog discussing the behavioural aspects of recruitment and retention. I said ages ago if we want to start being like the good clubs we need to start behaving like it.
I saw Steve Gillis podcast (chiming in) where he had another player agent on as his guest. He said you can tell the moment you have dealings with a well run club. He also said the good clubs don't fuck you around with bullshit tactics. If they aren't interested they tell you as much immediately.
The actually amount isn't the most important thing. It's the amount of years. You want to lock down the best young players for aslong as possible and reap the rewards at the back end. And unfortunately as we have done, you don't want to sign players in their prime for 1-2 seasons too long. Eg Paulo.
The thing about signing Da Silva you'll know what we're are doing around a 6.
If your replacing Brown with an established 6 you don't need Tallyn , Smith doesn't over call his halves , is great defensively , currently lacks a probing running game and doesn't play a full 80 so you'd look at a 14 to give him some cover.
Of you go down the Da Silva path you can afford to develop from within for a 6 or go to market for midrange money.
$2 million for a hooker for three years isn't a lot under a ballooning salary cap especially if that player meets expectations.
Weve afforded ourselves salary cap wise to have some leeway in which way Ryles wants to go, if we get Da Silva it'll tell us.
That comment about moving forward with Joash at 6 suggests we're all in with Da Silva but we'll wait and see.
Either way we need to strengthen our pack.