Also, if we can get jag a win against the Dragons this Saturday then another 2 points with the bye up next, we'll have a host of players coming back from injury and suspension including
Moses, Sam Tuivaiti, Moretti, Bailey Simonsson, Ritchie penasini, Ryley Smith most of them due back after the bye.
A run for the 8 is not out of the question
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crrect as Paulo is on 950 k not 850.
Now if Elements of Management, in particular whomever is negotiating and closing contracts of real talented players could be improved.
Perhaps we could move the club to be competitive on the ladder, and give Ryles real talent / skill and pace to be better then other teams.
Ok a lot of people believe whole heartedly that we have improved, that we are ahead of schedule, the green shoots are sprouting so to speak. I wonder at what point do we agree that running bottom of the ladder is a problem. 6months time, start of next season, the season after ie 2 years , 3 years from now.
My thoughts that i just can't shake is we can't sign real in demand talent when other clubs compete, this leaves us to identify future potential , that other clubs don't see in the hope of jagging a number of good players at the same time to win a premiership. This method i feel is just gambling to the extreme.
We may have fast exciting systems, but without the polished skilled players. It Still dosnt get us where we need to be.
Who are these talented players the Eels missed out on. Galvin we went mighty close. We missed out because of his junior coach.
Yeah Graham , there's so many we have tried for and lost, Just top of my head so we are in the same ball park. Mahoney, Papalii, Nuikore, Blaize, Sanders, Arthur, Galvin, Lodge, Tapau, Campbell, Dylan Brown, Utoikamanu, Brailey, you can throw in Hayne at 30 years old. These are just some we know about. At the moment they are trying to sign Tallyn Da'Silva with out much luck.
All players the coach's wanted but Management couldn't get a deal done to buy or keep them.
Graham I'd suggest there is an excuse for every single player, the negotiator or closers job to identify that, address that, fix that and get the deal done. Good closers like Gus do it every day. Put it this way. Strange how Galvins school coach got a promotion to first grade out of the blue just as Galvin signs. Is that co incidence or great Negotiating, closing skills by Gus. You decide.
HI Blue Eel, mate i think you will find Vella his coach was already with the team and also coached Juniors there with Flegg. He is Canterbury through as per this article I recall from a season back. He was already assistant last year, hence Galvin possibly wanting out of Wests back then....who knows,
https://www.bulldogs.com.au/news/2023/11/06/vella-earns-promotion-a...
Thanks Mitchy Your spot on mate. But Galvin started agitating for a release in late 2023 and publicly in early 2024.
Here is an excerpt backing that up.
Galvin camp 'unwavering' in push for release as 'deeper ...
Lachlan Galvin's camp first started to agitate for his release from the Wests Tigers around the beginning of the 2024 NRL season, possibly even before the season started. His management unsuccessfully requested a release during his stellar 2024 rookie season. Galvin himself also indicated he wanted out of the club about ten months ago, which would be around the time of the 2024 season.
These time frames still seem to fit with Vellas promotion.
Connor Tracey , we also went after JAC previously and missed him, rumours were quite strong we went after Garlick, Tom Starling , Cotric a few years back,Blaise Talagi , didn't we also have a crack at Klemmer too at one stage ? How can anyone claim we don't miss out on players when we literally sign fucking nobody most seasons 😂😂
Well, let's look at how quickly teams can turn around after sacking a coach due to poor performances. Barrett was head coach until mid year 2022 when he was sacked and Potter took over. They finished 12th. In 2023 Ciraldo comes in and they seemingly go backwards as he overhauls the roster, finishing 15th. Ciraldo's second year they finish 6th. Now they're top 4.
So I think 2 full seasons gives you a good gauge as to how a new coach is tracking. But it also depends on how the clubs approach it. The Dogs just decided to go and buy a bunch of players and they're continuing to do that.
While Ryles has cleaned out a lot of players, we're promoting a lot more from within as well.
And while we're questioning us being bottom of the ladder, part of that is down to how the stupid bye system works. We are literally 2 wins behind 5th place but somehow 3 wins behind 6th place. We've also been gradually improving this year, particularly defensively. We went from conceding well over 30 points per game to now 25 PPG and it's continuing to trend downwards.
At the same point last year we were dead last and conceding 29 points per game.
I've said this before, but not many out and out stars hit the open market. The vast majority of squads rely on talent ID and junior promotion to be competitive. Melbourne have signed 1 top of the line first grader in Xavier Coates over the last decade. Every other player they have either developed or they have been a journeyman. And that is how a lot of sides are put together. It's then up to the coaching staff to turn those players into a decent side.
Agree with this one Super it's why I'm not judging JR right now because it's an incomplete puzzle.I think you give him 2 full years building a squad and implementing how he wants to play we get a real gauge like you mention.
The Melbourne way is definitely the way to go 💯 % the thing I think that scuppers our efforts copying the same is the front office.They have quality throughout there organisation top to bottom I'm not sure we are quite at that level but again I bag them hard but they to need the same amount of time.Thing is your trying to beat the masters at there own game that's a tough ask.
But we will see.We definitely are seeing some little wins out there but just not the comp,eye picture.
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