In recent times, it is becoming obvious that the power brokers at the Eels see our junior pathways, as our path to future glory and probably rightly so. We see new full time coaching staff / Eels scouts across the country and scholarships for juniors. We see them training at the same venues as our first grade squad. We have invested heavily in following the Panthers lead and the Panthers way of junior development and in turn their saturation of home grown talent into first grade. We are by all intents and purposes suposedly attempting to copy their blueprint to success of the previous 5 or so years.

Ryles has developed a top down approach with football systems now being aligned no matter what grade or junior age group are playing. If your in Blue and Gold then the football system is attempting to become universal and aligned.  The full time coaching roles throughout the whole club, now allow the Junior coaches to be singing from the same Hymm sheet. A significant triumph for our club no doubt.

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A lot has recently been discussed here on this website about signing in demand first choice talented Players from other clubs, their is suggestion that we may not actually be in the hunt for these types of players, further , that it has been perhaps media click bait, that we were not actually interested in so and so etc, or like some of us are suspecting that we havnt been able to close a contract after going for them. That our final step in the recruitment process is missing out on a regular basis. In short we struggle to sign identified 1st choice talented players. The common theme though by many has been not to worry we have juniors coming through, that, this is the way of our future, we don't want to block a juniors pathway, we want to follow the Panthers system.

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Lachalna Galvin - Lost to the Eels at the last moment .

Here on 1EE  it has been heavily discussed, these concepts or models , the pathways vs bought talent etc. People point out that The pathways model has worked well for the Panthers, they are a juggernaut with a conveyor belt of talent, but this is where other clubs are now truely waking up.

It was always very hard to get to the Penrith Players as they moved through the grades, they were all on contracts, all tied up by the Panthers, they were very well managed and looked after from within,  this lead to their first couple of premierships,  but things are just starting to change, and this is where I see some future problems for us.

'I read an article over the weekend and it got me thinking about this issue. The Panthers you see were managing to keep their juniors via scholarships and contracts of various sorts, but with their success has come scrutiny. That scrutiny coming from the other NRL clubs and their attempts to poach the Panthers juniors. Its reported the Panthers were paying scholarships to the tune of $1200 a week to stop the poaching. All legal and a big credit to them and their systems, this worked  at keeping other clubs at bay from their players, but only for a short while, the other NRL clubs continued to poach coached junior talent so much so that the  NRL "Vlandys" had to step in and draw up some new rules stipulating in basic form that Penrith needed to be compensated for poached talent to the tune of $5000 for a junior or a percentage of their first NRL contract, otherwise the very fabric of putting money into junior development could fail.

This worked for a short time as well,  but now clubs are circumventing this, not only poaching talent from Penrith Panthers under these systems, but are now going even younger, they are poaching the 14 / 15 / 16 year olds before they earn scholarships or contracts, the other NRL clubs are now scouting them earlier to avoid the compensation system and to boost their own playing talent, not even attempting to mass develop their own.  Together it is begining to take its toll on the Panthers system, it is in effect draining the elite talented junior players from Panthers Colours, its leaving the Panthers empty handed after scouting the juniors, and begining their  education and development. Its a like a one stop shop, no need to send scouts all over the country, just go straight to the Penrith rep teams and make an offer.

Its now being reported, by the Daily Telegraph , that as of right now there are 60 former Penrith Panthers pathway players now playing for a different NRL club. Thats currently 60 poached players from within the Panthers ranks, no wonder Penrith have now recently been entering the Player market for talent from other clubs. Think our own BlaizeTalangi or Issah Papalii etc. The Panthers are only now experiencing the full glare of every club poaching from their junior systems   it's becoming so prevalent and common place that they are now having to look at established talent from other clubs to make up the shortfall. Just this year Penrith have had to buy 4 new players from the Warriors and Knights to go with Blaize and Papalii last year. 

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Recently Bought by Penrith to supplement first grade Blaize Talangi and Isaiah Papal'ii

'This brings me to the question, what problems are we going to experience as we go down this all in path of juniors and as a club are ignoring or unable to sign first choice talented players from other clubs. We may not get the early benefits that Penrith got with an abundance of junior talent coming through the system as clubs having changed tactics on the Panthers Juniors , so too they would now raid ours juniors exactly the same way. The blueprint for poaching is now very well established and being followed by every other club.

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So  then what is or what will the club be able to do to stop the poaching from happening to us. If we go all in on Juniors which let's face it sounds great, but if we do go all in, how do we stop our players from being poached and leaving us high and dry. Its already known that our club struggles to sign or keep elite talent, in recent times we have barely been able to keep a talented junior and get them into first grade. Think u.19 state of origin reps, Sanders, Blaize and Matt Arthur , but now the ante has been upped even further with scouts poaching more professionally and co-ordinated then ever before. 'Penrith are living through it right now, and it's changed from just 5 years ago.

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Former Eel Junior Ethan Sanders

 

Is being so reliant on pathways into the future now a false dawn so to speak. If we develop exceptional talent through  junior seasons to only have them poached when nearing first grade or nearing a contract, where does that leave the makeup of our first grade squad. One argument that we have put untold $$ into development and therefore we expect them to stay.  But as is happening at Penrith right now, 60 current players poached playing for another NRL club.
One could suggest that we need an all in approach, a multi faceted approach,  I suspect there has to be significant effort and energy into chasing first choice talent from other clubs first and foremost to compliment first grade. Surely we must supplement the junior pathways system as we never know when an elite junior will be lured away to another club, and putting us back another season or 2 whilst we develop the next one. Surely the smart play is to put more energy into closing talented established players from other clubs to compliment our 1st grade team on a needs basis.

The Juniors pathway argument is perhaps being used too much as the almighty way forward, our shield of sorts in obtaining and keeping real talent. Could this be a false shield though, Penrith are beginning to feel the real effects ! professional, co ordinated and sustained poaching at every level, like never before experienced within the NRL. If we are to take their path as a blueprint moving forward, then surely we need to understand how it has recently been attacked and dismantled. There may very well need to be more done at NRL level at Parramatta Board Level to put in place better strategies for keeping this developed talent, significant salary cap relief for juniors or something similar could be a start. We will certainly need some further help for development clubs like ourselves, until that happens then i'm afraid we must get better at closing deals on elite 1st grade  talent, when they become available. We must find the reason why we can't or don't sign in demand talented 1st graders when they are available. To forget this part of recruitment or to pay it less attention may in my opinion only lead us to mediocrity and keep us away from any premiership glory. What are your thoughts.

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  • Good blog Bluey. The proof is in the pudding so to speak. Parra have won or gone close to winning junior comps for decades yet this has NOT led to winning anything above SG Ball (or equivalent) since 1990 (Flegg/NYC) or 2008 (Reserves).

    Not sure if the alignment of coaching will help turn the non winning at senior level around but it can't be any worse than what has been going on since our last good run 2005 - 2009. Reserve champs and regular finalists in firsts.

    • Cheers Badger, it is fun seeing the youngsters go well in those teams. Now we need to convert them to Eels first graders.

  • I think the nrl need to be more proactive in this area if that's true nd there juniors are getting poached like that the nrl need to make it harder for teams to do so and or reward the teams that are in on that development and the payments for poaching as an example need to be made higher.

    Development is always the best way even if your losing talent it's upto you as a club to identify and keep the best ones.That's moreso the key.

    Me I'm all in on development even the cap sombrero at the Roosters is gone heavy in that direction.

    Good post BE.

    • Roosters is up there with the best junior teams in the NRL right now. They are stacked. 

      • From players who live nowhere near their Eastern Suburbs area. It's a joke that teams like Easts, Melbourne etc. have to rely almost solely on development areas nowhere near where they are based. 

        If they have to develop in other areas, move the team to that area, i.e.: Easts to the Central Coast and Melbourne to Brisbane.

        • Yep, it's been a disgrace for years. Manly pulling players out of Blacktown is laughable.

        • Melb are only seeing some locally produced come on now; we all know Melb is not RL; Easts the same and while frustrating they saw the Central Coast and pounced when others like us didn't.

          • We shouldn't need to go to the Central Coast. But if Easts are using that area as their predominant development area, they should be relocated there. Same with Melbourne. It's a joke having a team planted in a geographical location where they don't develop players. At least the Swans, Brisbane Lions and GWS have acedemies in their locally geographical areas and are producing payers. 

    • Yep Coryn, I think development reliant clubs that invest heavily in development need more protection from the NRL.I don't know what that protection looks like other then expanding on the $5000 poaching fee or 10% of the top 30 contract. At the end of the day I think a club would rather the elite player then some $$ as compensation. There must be some more thought out real protections. Does a junior draft work in any shape or form where development clubs get extra picks etc, i don't know  just spitballing. LB is right up on drafts , the good the bad the ugly of them, i think.

  • We always been raided , nothing new 

    the key difference at the moment , we actually appear to have a plan in place and also keep pumping them out.

    the pathways system still works, Penrith still pumping them through .. look how well their nsw cup team stood up to the bulldogs for 40 minutes . Teams can poach them early to circumvent ... if they don't have systems in place to develop them at young age these players will be nothing 

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