Mark o'neill
* failed with the get out clauses
* failed with attracting top players
* The Brown contract was a complete stuff up
* Needed Ryles to hold his hand to finally fix development, where previously reserve grade was a holding yard for rejected players
* lost out on recent big name signings
Shane Richardson
* A proven winner
* Helped Souths become champions
Took the Cronulla sharks from perennial losers to grand finalists
* attracted many big names to the Tigers despite being 3 times losers. Jerome Luai, Taylan May ect
* A noted track record of success and attracting big talent.
Make it happen now.
At the moment - we're wasting time and O'neill a dead man walking
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LB not everyone sees it your way that Sanders pathway was blocked. Some serious thoughts and considerations could have been implemented, knowing full well that Mitch and Dylan had options. Sanders literally dosnt debut till right now, history shows he could be starting for us right now.
'There were numerous ways to develop Sanders for that extra year. ie last year, when he went to the raiders his path was blocked as well, but he was sold a vision from Ricky, our recruitment and retention blokes don't really succeeed at doing that type of thing. We could have sold him a vision any vision to develop him last year some more. If he had of stayed he plays now.
Our problem has always been we can't see different pathways in recruitment and retention , just like yourself you refuse to contemplate that his pathway wasn't blocked. And that's fine, but that's the type of thoughts we need removed from recruitment and retention, we must always have insurance in younger guys to commit below 1st grade and we have to show them pathways to first grade.
At the very least we could of kept him, told him Dylan and Mitch had get out clauses, if they did'nt leave for the 26 season we will release you, instead they just went with the flow that Dylan was signed till 3030 or something stupid.
There were ways to keep him, even the vision of Dylan playing lock or something, even the offer of loaning him out like harry grant etc, there were real and serious options that were never explored. Let's not bury our head and say Pathway Blocked , nothing more could of been done, that's why we are not very good at some elements of recruitment, we don't think outside the square at times.
Big difference, Fogarty had a year left on his deal. Moses and Brown, regardless of options or not, had several with no guarantee that either will leave.
Now you say vision of Brown at Lock, well they wouldn't of done that as Brown would have not taken up his option. They wouldn't take the risk of upsetting him and he doesn't take option up.
Well path was blocked as you are saying things like loan which you don't do unless path is blocked?
Now BE I will say a deal like Pezet had yes could have been done.
Im not denying the options were dumb, they bloody were but that's what happened and learn from it.
But also, who is to say right now we wouldn't have a Pezet type issue playing 2 Halfbacks?
Also finally on the vision, the vision we've sold Galvin, Keaon, Barnett and the likes hasn't worked so how would it for Sanders.
I will say yeah a Pezet deal like Melbourne had I admit would have been best course of action though. You can leave if Brown activated his option for 2028.
Blaize on the other hand could have played Centre to stay there was an option there but whoever gave a 19 year old with no NRL games at the time a PO should of been sacked. As keeping Blaize last year problem solved for our 6 moving forward and had that year with Ryles where he would've played 6 for most of the year.
Just thankfully they signed Lorenzo til 2028. I will say when I did the first reply I was like here comes BE in 3, 2, 1.... hahahaha. Respect my man though as can see how far we've come with this argument the first one we were bitter now more civil.
haha all good.
Hindsight is a wonerful thing in retospect.
Who is to say what's right or wrong, the people in charge or a group of fans with "shit on the liver" ?
This over reaction is so familiar. wait to we have played 6/7 games and make these judgements.
PS I sort of predicted that Pezit was not the mam for the job...much to early to say i was right!
It is Hindsight to some pops, however some here actually called it when it was happening, and prior to Dylan Leaving. Some fans saw it, Recruitment / Retention id suggest should of seen it. A straight up offer to Dylan, recommit take the option of the table or you can look around now and get your feelers, we don't want to lose Sanders etc.
Over reaction, nah just pointing out what i called very very early on, calling out the misses and mistakes re this saga is just me gloating. haha
just as i thought Pezet was a great buy
. Egg on face big time right now for that call..
Right or wrong, great question , Sanders could still go bust, and it's a masterstroke by retention committee. I suspect though as soon as Ryles came in and saw how the options were effecting so many players, youngsters etc and the club had no control or certainty if players were staying or going. The Ryles era cleaned up that complete mess except for Penisni and Matterson who both took up their player options. Options gone , now the coach and his football dept team are in control of our roster. I hate pricky but he went all out to get Sanders after staring and captaining that u/19's NSW Origin team.
I think the thing a lot of fans thought was Ryles has 100% gotten rid of the issues in the squad, but there are still some debris from the prior squad.
Bluey, no arguments with anything you said but it is still very early days.
Pricky may have gone all out to get Sanders, but it is only 2 weeks ago it was a toss up whether he would make the side. Circumstances dealt a hand and he kicks a field goal, he is a super hero? Yes, he is ok but is it really "spilt milk" on our part, you can't have them all and who is to say if Sanders was still at Parra he would have nailed the 5/8 job?
Finally Pezet was really judged on a sole game for Storm last year and the media presented him with a great back story after "they said" he won them the game! I watched that game twice, I saw nothing special but did get some positive reflection of him making a tackle on the Storms line and thinking, at least he can tackle. I thought his kicking game lacked any real authority and that still rings true!
Now Ryles is a much better judge than me and I presumed that what I was seeing, would be something he would know a lot more about. Still might of course because Ryles still knows a lot more than me! I just wonder a little bit that Ryles has a particular type of loyalty base he is subconsciously locked into.
Btw still do not understand why we gave Lomax the initial release, he was integral to this year going to another level....the rest is history......why didn't he like us?
Not as a backup half.. He would have seen plenty of time and development over the last 2 years. The path was also. Now we paid overs for a fringe first grader. All because he was Melbourne's backup half. BA chose to play other players ahead of him after his debut. Journey men if u will. He was a parramatta boy through and through.
Again all in hindsight, he would have played a lot of footy last year with Moses out and Brown leaving so Ryles tested him but nobody would have guessed Moses' injuries over the last two years.
We'll also be looking for a new ceo next year too won't we as JS has done 8 years on the Parra board and by constitution 9 is the most they can stay on it.Please correct me if I'm wrong.
MoN why bother getting rid of him now why have we just realised he isn't the right guy for the job.JR is also has a big bearing in recruitment he's the trump card to get the talent in the door also.MoN has never been the answer unfortunately and yes we should be trying to upgrade all across the club.
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