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I think you've provided your own answer there matty - among all that, they've only been able to sign half of their rooster. Talk about going off at half cock.....
Honestly, it's easy to have a go at a team for being over the cap or to question how a team can buy the players they do when there's a range of factors involved.
Manly have Jamie Lyon, Steve Matai, Brett Stewart & Matt Ballin all eligible for long-term player concessions under the salary cap for starters.
They've lost numerous players that were a part of their top 25 in Cheyse Blair, Dunamis Lui, Jesse Sene-Lefao, Justin Horo, Kieran Foran & James Hasson, as well as fringe players like Ligi Sao and Jack Littlejohn.
That alone frees up a hell of a lot of money and the players they've signed, only Myles and maybe Taupau would be on extravagant type money, IMO.
The rest will be a part of their top 25 but on smaller amounts overall.
And don't forget they still have a fair few off-contract players unlikely to be retained, so that only gives them more cap space.
I'm not supporting Manly in any sense but you cannot simply presume that they're over the cap when a good portion of their roster has either left or eligible for player concessions.
Matt Ballin has also been released to sign with the Tigers.
It's a complicated business when a club has so many on back ended deals surely sooner or later it has to show up in the audits.
This ' unders to stick together' thing worked well for them for so long, very clever. In times where we and other clubs were either coping fines or having to let players go, they somehow managed to keep their stars together? Well played I guess!
Marty Taupau is an excellent purchase for them,perfect signing.
Out of interest, Taupau's 2016 stats:
Rd 1 (lock): 46 minutes, 112m from 12 runs (9.33m per run average), 4 tackle beaks, 32 tackles, 1 offload, 1 error, 2 penalties conceded & 2 missed tackles.
Rd 2 (lock): 45 minutes, 120m from 14 runs (8.57m per run average), 1 tackle break, 24 tackles, 1 offload, 1 error & 5 missed tackles.
Rd 3 (lock): 52 minutes 97m from 9 runs (10.78m per run average), 3 tackle breaks, 39 tackles, 1 offload, 1 error, 1 penalty conceded & 2 missed tackles.
Rd 4 (lock): 160m from 16 runs (10m run per average), 2 tackle breaks, 24 tackles, 3 offloads, 1 error & 3 missed tackles.
Rd 5 (lock): 43 minutes, 97m from 10 runs (9.7m per run average), 5 tackle breaks, 26 tackles, 2 offloads, 1 line-break, 1 error, 1 penalty conceded & 1 missed tackle.
Rd 6 (lock): 43 minutes, 63m from 7 runs (9m per run average), 35 tackles, 2 penalties conceded & 3 missed tackles.
Rd 7 (lock): 56 minutes, 122m form 15 runs (8.13m per run average), 2 tackle breaks, 23 tackles, 2 offloads, 1 error & 2 missed tackles.
Rd 8 (lock): 45 minutes, 89m from 9 runs (9.89m per run average), 3 tackle breaks, 24 tackles, 1 error & 2 missed tackles.
Rd 9 (lock): 52 minutes, 131m from 12 runs (10.92m per run average), 1 tackle break, 23 tackles, 1 offload, 1 error, 1 penalty conceded & 3 missed tackles.
Rd 10 (lock): 51 minutes, 59m form 6 runs (9.83m per run average), 4 tackle breaks, 21 tackles & 2 missed tackles.
Rd 11 (lock): 45 minutes, 67m form 9 runs (7.44m per run average), 1 tackle break, 38 tackles, 1 error & 5 missed tackles.
Rd 12: BYE.
Rd 13 (lock): 55 minutes, 123m from 12 runs (10.25m per run average), 4 tackle breaks, 21 tackles, 3 offloads & 1 missed tackle.
Rd 14 (lock): 49 minutes, 2 tries, 126m from 13 runs (9.69m per run average), 11 tackle breaks, 22 tackles, 1 offload, 2 line-breaks, 1 penalty conceded & 4 missed tackles.
Rd 15 (lock): 56 minutes, 146m from 14 runs (10.43m per run average), 4 tackle breaks, 25 tackles, 1 offload, 1 error, 1 penalty conceded & 3 missed tackles.
Rd 16 (lock): 64 minutes, 74m from 10 runs (7.4m per run average), 5 tackle breaks, 31 tackles, 2 offloads & 4 missed tackles.
Rd 17 (lock): 56 minutes, 90m from 8 runs (11.25m per run average), 4 tackle breaks, 28 tackles, 1 offload, 1 error, 2 penalties conceded & 1 missed tackle.
Rd 18: BYE.
Rd 19 (lock): 46 minutes, 69m from 9 runs (7.67m per run average), 7 tackle breaks, 28 tackles, 4 offloads & 1 missed tackle.
Rd 20 (lock): 38 minutes, 43m from 5 runs (8.6m per run average), 4 tackle breaks, 24 tackles, 2 penalties conceded & 0 missed tackles.
Rd 21: DNP.
Rd 22: DNP.
Rd 23: DNP.
Rd 24 (bench): 37 minutes, 1 try, 70m from 8 runs (8.75m per run average), 6 tackle breaks, 17 tackles, 2 offloads, 1 line-break, 2 errors & 1 missed tackle.
Rd 25 (lock): 39 minutes, 115m from 10 runs (11.5m per run average), 4 tackle breaks, 15 tackles, 2 offloads, 1 line-break, 1 error & 0 missed tackles.
Rd 26 (lock): 49 minutes, 150m from 14 runs (10.71m per run average), 2 tackle breaks, 24 tackles, 2 offloads & 3 missed tackles.
It's clear to see that Taupau runs hard and at full-steam ahead, more often than not breaking at least one tackle. Overall though, he's had an average sort of year, really only standing out and excelling in a handful of games.
Good player but can be erratic at times and his work-ethic can be a bit poor.
Decent pick-up for Manly - once it's confirmed - but he certainly has work to do to become an elite player.
If anyone wants his 2013 stats, just let me know. Can post those up as well.
The key stat there for Tapau is his tackle breaks - they usually mean a quick play-the-ball follows, which is hugely beneficial for whoever gets the ball on the next play.
You would think that a power runner like Tapau would be just the kind of player Manly would need, given their 2015 forward pack struggled for metres.
We didn't get Choc because we paid huge money, we got him because we gave him a contract right through until he turns 40.
Still young for the Eels!!!!
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