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          • Who wouldn't want to secure their future long term. ??? That's the main reason players sign.  Kolomatagi,  Gutherson,  Brown.  When players bob up like Utokimanu,  the best recruitment teams keep them

            We have more of our best jnrs playing elsewhere,  than in the first grade squad 

            • The reality is Chief that when Utoikamanu left us, he was looking pretty ordinary, he went to Tigers and did not look overly special there. When Bellamey grabbed him from Melb, he also struggled to begin with but eventually showed his potential.

              I was watching this kid when he came through with the likes of the big names with the QLD Junior Origin sides (he was the Blue's equivalent) and he looked so special.....but then nothing. A good comparison that still has not worked out is Blaize Talagi, he has been expertly mentored and trained by the Cleary's, but he is no super star and is not likely to be....just an example of a talented kid coming through, who is just not that good.i.e he has no real speed, a poor defender that runs good lines and is an able link in a team that is almost mechanised.

              How would you have managed this differently?

              • He wasn't looking ordinary.  Those who followed the younger grades told me he would play origin.   He wasn't given the opportunity at Parramatta.   The gave preference to older players like Alvaro and didn't want to offer good coin to Utokimanu as younger players need time to mature,  and those controlling recruitment didn't want to risk their jobs on future players 

  • Jack Williams has been fantastic, such a great purchase & has surprised - I had doubts at first due to his handling.

    He is clearly a leader-type & likeable player at the club.

    I wonder if he might fit into the 'Shaun Lane' category though, where we’ve utilised his peak & he's returned great value, but 2028/2029, we’d likely be looking to move on anyway.

    It’s nothing against Jack, again he’s been great, but he might be the perfect example of a ‘type' of player you turn over when the juice is squeezed.

    There seems to be a really strange issue with R&R criticism on the site lately, a defence that interestingly wasn’t afforded to far worse criticism of players & coaches in the past.

    But for most of us with R&R concerns, it's about roster-balance, it’s about foresight & replacement, the Eels got Jack Williams right & likely have his replacement in-house (especially with Su’a on the way).

    I wouldn’t question them if they let Jack walk for 2028, he’s earned his pay-increase if it comes.

     

    • Agreed NOS - Jack going to PNG in '28 for a payday would work well for us. Forwards decline quickly, let him play out his career elsewhere.

  • See this is why I've beat the drum of stop looking for talent in your own backyard spread your wings don't leave any stone unturned.We should have been on this years ago others in the comp have a head start there but seemingly we aren't interested it's madness.

    The Warriors are openly poaching rugby kids and there isn't a thing NZR can do about it.

    PNGs competitive so called advantage is no different to what Brisbane Melbourne Easts have enjoyed for decades.Parra and every other fanbase and club moaning need to adapt and play the game moaning is going to get you no where.

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