Posted by christeel on November 17, 2025 at 5:58pm
now surely to gard he's bound to play some sort of future role in Ryles'y coaching staff , again ie : identify talent , skills, speed mentoring etc etc !!
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I'm not so sure he would make a great coach, not saying i would be against him working at Parra but i seem to find that players with so much natural talent can't seem to pass those skills on to other players as they are not sure how they do it themselves, they just see it & then do it, it's very hard to teach those skills, maybe they can nurture it when they see it in someone else but teaching that is almost impossible. The people that have to work hard & practice their skills seem to make better coaches as they are able to impart that knowledge on good players to make them even better.
Naturally gifted players make the worst coaches. Thats common knowledge. It's very rare that players who've never had to work hard to be the best can show others how to work hard to be the best.
LB > Wizardssleeves official receiptsNovember 18, 2025 at 1:15pm
Great point. I am not sure who it was who said it but i heard once that sometimes when you have a naturally gifted player coach, they fail due to believing what they do so naturally others should do as well. They don't understand that not everyone can do what they do so simply. They need coaching on how to do it.
That is why you see players that were average and played limited first grade turn into great coaches as a lot of them could see somethig that their bodies could not catch up with or do what they needed them to do. Justin Holbrook was that, Joey Johns said that about him that his mind saw things that his talent could not fulfil.
Same as when i was younger and when Cayless, Hindmarsha and Burt retired close together. My dad would say who do you reckon coaches and is the better coach? I always said Luke Burt. He wasn't the best player of the three but could see he was the smartest.
There is a saying of those who can't do, teach hahahaha.
That is why I referenced as a specialist, being a coach of a team can be entirely different to be a specialist, just ask some very good assistant coaches if they would make it as a Head Coach. I think that is why your soccer coaches are called managers and he employs specialist coaches, cricket has gone the same way and lets not start on Porn Movies! Directors can't always get it up?
LB you nailed it as always. To be a elite level football coach these days is so much about communication , setting standards , having staff that can deliver your goals, aspirations and intent, having cattle that can do that at a high level of consistency. I have been lucky enough to be around some great players who went on to being great coaches. Plenty the reverse way too. IN todays climate, being a people manager and having the ab ility to communicate between all the various nuances that come with a top 30 program.
Some are simple assistant coaches and that is the best they get to. Some can go on from elite NRL players to NRL coachstatus like Ricky Stuart. Never say never with HAYNES but he needs to surround himself with some exceptional assistants to have any chance of a successful pathway.
Well Matty Johns mentioned a story where he was considering taking an NRL job, Bellamy rang him and said don't do it as it will consume you. Only about 30% of the job is actually coaching.
"No im not i think we struggle next year unless we get at least one big forward like Koloamatangi and couple of backs
We lost to many players to go well next year"
"Well Matty Johns mentioned a story where he was considering taking an NRL job, Bellamy rang him and said don't do it as it will consume you. Only about 30% of the job is actually coaching."
"Of course it will Poppa. A prop like Tino is valued at $900k but with new tv deal could be valued at $1.3mil. Like back in the early 2010's, signing a player for $500k was considered massive money. Now it is for regular first graders.
$900k is a lot…"
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I'm not so sure he would make a great coach, not saying i would be against him working at Parra but i seem to find that players with so much natural talent can't seem to pass those skills on to other players as they are not sure how they do it themselves, they just see it & then do it, it's very hard to teach those skills, maybe they can nurture it when they see it in someone else but teaching that is almost impossible. The people that have to work hard & practice their skills seem to make better coaches as they are able to impart that knowledge on good players to make them even better.
Naturally gifted players make the worst coaches. Thats common knowledge. It's very rare that players who've never had to work hard to be the best can show others how to work hard to be the best.
Great point. I am not sure who it was who said it but i heard once that sometimes when you have a naturally gifted player coach, they fail due to believing what they do so naturally others should do as well. They don't understand that not everyone can do what they do so simply. They need coaching on how to do it.
That is why you see players that were average and played limited first grade turn into great coaches as a lot of them could see somethig that their bodies could not catch up with or do what they needed them to do. Justin Holbrook was that, Joey Johns said that about him that his mind saw things that his talent could not fulfil.
Same as when i was younger and when Cayless, Hindmarsha and Burt retired close together. My dad would say who do you reckon coaches and is the better coach? I always said Luke Burt. He wasn't the best player of the three but could see he was the smartest.
There is a saying of those who can't do, teach hahahaha.
That is why I referenced as a specialist, being a coach of a team can be entirely different to be a specialist, just ask some very good assistant coaches if they would make it as a Head Coach. I think that is why your soccer coaches are called managers and he employs specialist coaches, cricket has gone the same way and lets not start on Porn Movies! Directors can't always get it up?
some did but eventually fell on their swords
LB you nailed it as always. To be a elite level football coach these days is so much about communication , setting standards , having staff that can deliver your goals, aspirations and intent, having cattle that can do that at a high level of consistency. I have been lucky enough to be around some great players who went on to being great coaches. Plenty the reverse way too. IN todays climate, being a people manager and having the ab ility to communicate between all the various nuances that come with a top 30 program.
Some are simple assistant coaches and that is the best they get to. Some can go on from elite NRL players to NRL coachstatus like Ricky Stuart. Never say never with HAYNES but he needs to surround himself with some exceptional assistants to have any chance of a successful pathway.
Well Matty Johns mentioned a story where he was considering taking an NRL job, Bellamy rang him and said don't do it as it will consume you. Only about 30% of the job is actually coaching.
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