Hayne never played with an elite level half at club level for an extended period. Finch was about the closest he ever got and that was right at the start of his career. He played chunks of his career with Jeff Robson, Chris Sandow, Ben Roberts and Luke Kelly in the halves. He had a single season with Moses when Moses was nowhere near what he is now.
You stick prime Hayne and Radradra in this squad, it is absolutely next level. It becomes a threat everywhere on the park.
You'd pop Semi on the right simply because he's a freak and can play both sides of the field. Hayne goes to fullback, Iongi to 5/8.
A backline of
Hayne
Semi
Penisini
Russell
JAC
Iongi
Moses
That's starting to cook. You get size and speed along with Hayne's ball-playing skill which would compliment Moses and Iongi nicely. Hayne's kicking game itself would also be a good pairing with Moses as Hayne's was as big as Moses'.
The thing I hate seeing is when people compare 09 Hayne to 2021 Turbo. 2021 Turbo was a support merchant playing alongside DCE who was an Origin halfback. Turbo was often 3rd receiver, playing off the back of space provided by his inside men.
09 Hayne was first and second receiver a lot of the time. He had to create his own space while also shouldering the general play kicking duties. Hayne has 2 stand out tries in 2009. The chip kick and regather against the Tigers, and the dancing try against the Dragons in the finals. Both were all him. He created something out of absolutely nothing on both occasions.
Anyone tell me a stand out Turbo try from 2021 where he beat half a team (the minor premiers at that) to score? Or had to create something from absolutely nothing in the pressure cooker of a winner takes all match?
Turbo couldn't get Manly to the grand final. Hayne did and he did so by beating 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Yep, Turbo won the Wally Lewis medal, but he was again the beneficiary of a NSW team that blew Queensland away. Hayne won the Fittler medal from the wing and was just about the only consistent threat to Qld that series.
You also had the different rules. In 2009 halves could boot the ball dead without 7 tackles. In 2021 we had six agains on steroids.
This is a hill that I will firmly stand on. 09 Hayne > 21 Turbo any day of the week.
This threw me a little because I figured the consensus would be a resounding yes which would have lead me to the question, which 2 players today do we need to recruit to turn us into a premiership threat?
Well, how many half chances that the Eels have left out there would have been converted with Hayne and Semi? The Eels rank 11th for converting a normal set into a try. If there are set restarts? The Eels drop to 15th for scoring a try after a set restart. Surely the likes of Hayne and Semi would correct that deficiency in attack?
On the flip side, would they have made up for lack of output from the forwards? Across metrics, like run metres etc, the Eels forwards do not rank in the Top 20. A debutant - Saxon Pryke - is in the Top 20 in the league across involvement rate, options runner and tackle rate. Moretti is the only Eels forward in the Top 20 for ball runner rate. Hard to lay a platform with such meagre 'representation' amongst forwards-leaders?
I know it was suggested Hayne and Semi could contribute to more backfield metres, which is probably true, but I suspect what Hayne and Semi would do to help the attack might be offset by forwards tending not to dominate anything?
"Daz, that’s a fascinating point. I listened to Kent’s podcast after your post.
Kent claims around half the RLPA poll respondents were senior players with 8+ years experience (over 200 seasons of experience) and their concerns included:
""The Eels have also defended multiple consecutive sets without conceding points. The issue is not whether they can. But how often they are forced to do it."
Pretty much. And that comes from incomplete sets and dropped balls. Our systems on the line…"
"Well, how many half chances that the Eels have left out there would have been converted with Hayne and Semi? The Eels rank 11th for converting a normal set into a try. If there are set restarts? The Eels drop to 15th for scoring a try after a set…"
"The Rugby League Eye Test released its mid-season report todasy and calculated Top and Bottom 20 players for player contribtion.
In the Bottom 20 list, Penisini sits . . . 3rd (worst). Luckily the resident 1Eyedeel Recruitment & Retention Experts…"
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Hayne never played with an elite level half at club level for an extended period. Finch was about the closest he ever got and that was right at the start of his career. He played chunks of his career with Jeff Robson, Chris Sandow, Ben Roberts and Luke Kelly in the halves. He had a single season with Moses when Moses was nowhere near what he is now.
You stick prime Hayne and Radradra in this squad, it is absolutely next level. It becomes a threat everywhere on the park.
You'd pop Semi on the right simply because he's a freak and can play both sides of the field. Hayne goes to fullback, Iongi to 5/8.
A backline of
Hayne
Semi
Penisini
Russell
JAC
Iongi
Moses
That's starting to cook. You get size and speed along with Hayne's ball-playing skill which would compliment Moses and Iongi nicely. Hayne's kicking game itself would also be a good pairing with Moses as Hayne's was as big as Moses'.
The thing I hate seeing is when people compare 09 Hayne to 2021 Turbo. 2021 Turbo was a support merchant playing alongside DCE who was an Origin halfback. Turbo was often 3rd receiver, playing off the back of space provided by his inside men.
09 Hayne was first and second receiver a lot of the time. He had to create his own space while also shouldering the general play kicking duties. Hayne has 2 stand out tries in 2009. The chip kick and regather against the Tigers, and the dancing try against the Dragons in the finals. Both were all him. He created something out of absolutely nothing on both occasions.
Anyone tell me a stand out Turbo try from 2021 where he beat half a team (the minor premiers at that) to score? Or had to create something from absolutely nothing in the pressure cooker of a winner takes all match?
Turbo couldn't get Manly to the grand final. Hayne did and he did so by beating 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Yep, Turbo won the Wally Lewis medal, but he was again the beneficiary of a NSW team that blew Queensland away. Hayne won the Fittler medal from the wing and was just about the only consistent threat to Qld that series.
You also had the different rules. In 2009 halves could boot the ball dead without 7 tackles. In 2021 we had six agains on steroids.
This is a hill that I will firmly stand on. 09 Hayne > 21 Turbo any day of the week.
This threw me a little because I figured the consensus would be a resounding yes which would have lead me to the question, which 2 players today do we need to recruit to turn us into a premiership threat?
Throw in fui and yes we could.
Fui never gets talked about the way he should. I stand by that if we won in 09' he wins the CC medal.
Add a quality forward and a quality coach and we would be in with a good shot.
Well, how many half chances that the Eels have left out there would have been converted with Hayne and Semi? The Eels rank 11th for converting a normal set into a try. If there are set restarts? The Eels drop to 15th for scoring a try after a set restart. Surely the likes of Hayne and Semi would correct that deficiency in attack?
On the flip side, would they have made up for lack of output from the forwards? Across metrics, like run metres etc, the Eels forwards do not rank in the Top 20. A debutant - Saxon Pryke - is in the Top 20 in the league across involvement rate, options runner and tackle rate. Moretti is the only Eels forward in the Top 20 for ball runner rate. Hard to lay a platform with such meagre 'representation' amongst forwards-leaders?
I know it was suggested Hayne and Semi could contribute to more backfield metres, which is probably true, but I suspect what Hayne and Semi would do to help the attack might be offset by forwards tending not to dominate anything?
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