What would you think if definitive proof of alien life emerged? Would it consign all religious thought to, as Mark Twain once predicted, the fate of a stuffed ornament in museums? How would suggestive confirmation of the principles of uniformity and plenitude - that if life can form on Earth it can form anywhere and thus will for everywhere - mix with confirmation of the principle of mediocrity (nothing special about humans)? Would mediocrity impact humans relation with technology and would plenitude turn science skyward?
Disclosure Day (2026), Spielberg: https://youtu.be/icDuEHSxE-w?si=jKBowVzx1K6IggNh
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Who gets to decide what is and isn't an extraordinary claim? I'm sure Sagan and the people who quote him have a convenient answer to that one.
Great question, Pou. Often it's obvious. Compare these claims. I saw a dog at the park (ordinary claim). I saw an alien riding a dragon at the park (extraordinary claim).
I suppose mainstream science is the guide but not the Pope nor infallible. As we discover new things and broaden our understandings the bar for claims might change.
Who knows? A thousand years from now aliens in the park might be an ordinary claim. But not today.
I used to follow it in the early 90's. It was pretty much the same old, same old so pretty much thought it was BS. I saw the videos in 2017 but again my interest was only in passing. What made me sit up and take notice was the UAP Disclosure Act they tried to introduce in the US via the NDAA in 2023. The wording in it was way too specific to think it was all nonsense or a psyop. The actions of certain members (who had donors who were defence contractors) to block the bill in that year and the following leads me to believe that they were somewhat over the target. The Emminent Domain clause was something that got a big reaction. If they had nothing at all, then why work so hard to block the bill?
I get the scepticism re the US. It is a worldwide phenomenon that outside of Russia and China, that the US has largely handled. However the US has over 750 bases in 80 countries in the world. What other country has that? So they are well placed to handle anything over most of the planet.
Its a very complex topic, and there are many layers to the onion. Disclosure as it is now is nothing about revealing we aren't alone, it's about tech and materials science. China and Russia have no interest in disclosure as it provides zero benefit to their political system. There are people who in the US who are for it and those who are against it. Whatever the nature of it is, when it all comes out, there are a lot of people who will be held to have broken the law and will likely go to jail. If you watched Age of Disclosure, most there were pushing Amnesty. That is what the doco was really about. If we come clean, please don't send us to jail.
Anyway, the next few months will be interesting as David Grusch has gone nuclear of late in what he has revealed.
Daz, UFO sightings and stories really ramped up in the USA around the time of testing atomic bombs so more evidence from the USA makes sense. The majority of stories claimed to be the most credible occured around weapon and nuclear testing sites. If we had the technology to explore and travel around the universe, visiting sites where unusual events occur would be pretty high on the list and we would want to explore where those events occured not where everything seemed normal.
On the other hand, reports being around testing sites points towards experimental aircraft from governments more so then alien craft. Seeing what drones can do now could account for some reports if that technology was being tested but not claimed or released by government agencies at the time. Governments and weapon manufacturers definitely hide technology until they perfect it but even today's drone technology can not explain a lot of the radar images and recordings of UFO claims which are still well beyond technology that has been released and recorded decades later.
You would also think if a country had technology capable of movement and speed on record as UFO sightings they would have been used during times of war but this doesn't appear to be the case.
But it isn't just from US military with these reports so claiming reports are nearly exclusively from the USA is false. We know most governments in particular russia and China are a lot more secretive than the US who love to put on a show and brag about things.
A quick Google search shows many different UFO stories from all corners of earth, many from before the Internet and many stories matching despite people being from different countries in very rural or remote areas who would not have had access to information from the other side of the world to match stories. Obviously some are fake but many who spoke about it and never tried to sell the story, make money or chase fame from their story seem to have some credibility.
I think most of the over the top hoaxes are from USA due to their craving for attention, fame and fortune but credible reports from different military and private sources are everywhere. More Indians and chinese believe in aliens already walking amongst us then any other country (AI fact not confirmed). It could be because they just don't believe people could be as arrogant and stupid as Americans but it does destroy notion of alien stories and belief being driven by the USA.
I believe Aliens have to be real as there is just to many planets and seeing things live in extreme conditions such as at the bottom of the sea, surviving through radiation of nuclear bombs on earth they may not necessarily need to be from planets in Goldilocks zone as some speculate.
I like the theory octopus are aliens due to their intelligence, ability to shape shift and the simpsons clearly telling us that aliens are a race of genius octopus wanting to eat us.
As for alient sightings on earth, something is out there whether it is Alien from other planets, spiritual from earth, interdenominational or something triggered in our brain there is to much speculation and belief not to have some basis.
They're trying to push the alien narrative on us all. There is no little green aliens from other planets
Rocky from Hail Mary was carbon-based but not green (hard exoskeleton), and recently in For All Mankind (spoiler alert!) the aliens are methane based I think.
Little green men is the cultural archetype. Disclosure Day plays with this archetype theme, I think, via a plot element about how aliens appear to humans (will avoid that spoiler).
Interestingly, the Drake equation assumes ET will be like us, carbon and water based. What if we are flat wrong about that assumption? What would that do to the whole Goldilocks zone account of habitable planets?
I agree there aren't any little green aliens. The simpsons clearly told us aliens are big and green octopuses. Thinking they will be similar looking to us is ridiculous.
It would be the height of human self importance to believe we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
This is the Fermi Paradox in a nutshell and has fascinated us as humans for hundreds of years.
Modern history of humans says The Great Filter is a strong contender... we're doing a very good job of almost destroying ourselves. Autonomous nuclear weapons already exist, we're one big red button away from deleting ourselves as a species. And remember who we've put in charge of those buttons.
Look at those running the world. Can you really see us existing for another thousand years at this pace, let alone million?
If other advanced societies are anything like us they probably wipe themselves out when they get too smart for their own good. Long before interstellar travel.
It's great to see since I've been on my holiday that that sites been able to evolve past people complaining about non footy blogs clogging up their feed .
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