The Eels have a problem, but is the fix as simple as a change of tactics from the coaches box?
The Parramatta Eels have officially fallen to a zero and three start in the 2023 NRL season, which could quickly become a zero and five start on account of their tough schedule to open the campaign.
Last year's grand finalists would have been hoping to hit the ground running this year to move on from last year's premiership decider defeat at the hands of the Parramatta Eels, but they have done anything but.
That has created very relevant questions over some of their recruitment and retention decisions, with the most notable of those being the exit of Reed Mahoney, only for the club to reportedly spend as much, or potentially more, on Josh Hodgson.
While not a lot made sense off the field over the last 12 months for the men in blue and gold, they now have a very real issue with results, and if they do go zero and five, it could almost be curtains on their season - if not for the top eight, then certainly for the top four.
Things will get easier after the horrid opening five weeks, which includes playing three teams in a row coming off a bye, and you'd expect a turnaround, but when Brad Arthur can only sit in the press conference and suggest a lack of concentration from certain players in key moments, there is clearly a deeper issue running through the club.
“We need more than fronting up with effort each week – we need to execute our plan,” Arthur said during the post-game press conference.
“At different stages with individuals – there's a lack of concentration or the simple fundamentals we're getting wrong which is really hurting us.
“We had four sets down in good ball and I don't think we got to the end of the set in any of those. We're making it hard for ourselves by shooting ourselves in the foot.”
But that deeper issue is something Arthur needs to address in his coaching style, rather than it being any individual player.
Sure, you can point the finger at fitness, or the fact Josh Hodgson hasn't quite fit in yet, or the fact their defence doesn't seem to be up to par.
And it's not - leaking 34 points if you're going to be a premiership contender simply isn't good enough.
But when Arthur didn't swing his first chance from the bench until the 27-minute mark and then gave his bench players 34, 27, 18 and 14 minutes respectively, the awkwardness of a comment around lack of concentration becomes clear.
Manly had already run on two fairly soft tries by the time Parramatta made their first change of the game, and some of the damage had already been done, but it continued with missed tackles becoming a theme of the performance.
For all the good J'maine Hopgood has done so far in the number 13 jersey so far this year, another four missed tackles on Thursday evening ensures he leads the competition in the stat no one wants to be anywhere near with 16 in three games.
While the bench players barely saw the park, the influence of Junior Paulo, who played 66 minutes, was debatable, with Reagan Campbell-Gillard also playing more than 50 minutes on what was a warm night in Sydney.
Bryce Cartwright never looked like playing 80 minutes successfully but did so anyway despite Jack Murchie only seeing 34 minutes on the park, while Wiremu Gregig and Jirah Momoisea - both props capable of handling themselves - barely made a dent in the game and frankly, would have been better off giving up their spot to a utility, even if that did mean bringing Jakob Arthur into the side.
There is no doubt Paulo and Campbell-Gillard are among the best players in the NRL, and that Hopgood has had a wonderful start in the blue and gold, but there is also very little doubt that playing a team coming off a bye, the Eels had to be different in their strategy, and they simply refused to move the needle.
It's no good burning players who then aren't going to produce at the same level, and unfortunately, it's not the first time an argument has been made such as this about Arthur's coaching style throughout his career.
Arthur has been extended by the Eels, but the talent of this squad should have won a premiership over the last couple of years.
Instead, they had three semi-final exits which left Arthur all but needing to make the grand final last year to save his job. No coach should ever need to go that well to be renewed by a club, but that's where the Eels sit.
Arthur can blame lapses of concentration all he likes, but when he has major issues over giving bench players minutes, has Josh Hodgson playing the full 80 week in and week out - something most clubs don't do with their number one dummy half anymore - and refuses to acknowledge that changes are needed against teams coming off the bye, it makes the comments look somewhat odd.
It's worth noting that Shaun Lane and Ryan Matterson are still to return to this side, but I'm not sure in the slightest that they are going to fix all of the issues which are currently presenting themselves.
Parramatta are off to a horrendous start in 2023, and Arthur needs to think on his feet quickly if he is going to save the season.
It's still early days and more than salvageable, but a zero and five start will be nigh-on impossible to recover from.
You had a go at someone earlier (who correctly suggested Flanno cheated) and asked where was the proof, were they there when it happened etc etc. Yet here you are continually spewing vitriol, mostly without any basis for fact, complete ignorance to what is actually happening and often throw in some blatant lies for good measure as well. So just where is your proof of all these claims you have made in this comment? Fact is, it is mostly utter tripe.
As usual defending stupidity and carrying on like a child in doing so. How many more people you want to call you out as a toxic keyboard coward? Maybe I should start a poll? Might be a wake up call for you.
Don't worry Brissy, DA FLOP will come to your aid again....Must be good having an alter ego fighting your battles for you🤔🤔🤔
Who are you again? Is that you, Chief/Drooper/McLovin? Certainly sounds like it. Pot meet Kettle. Funny stuff. Ohh and I don't need anyone fighting my battles for me.
Brissy, you have to cut Snake some slack. He has been butt fucked by Pell for years, now he is gone. His only form of communication is through pictures.
Mate get over the cheating bullshit. Bellamy was part of the cooked books, Politis with his personal cap, both would be welcome with open arms at the Eels.
Every sport in the world people cheat, some get caught. Flanagan has the credentials and the right to coach in the NRL. I personally am not sold on Flanagan, but I do believe BA has done well at the Eels but has reached his ceiling. He has built this team up over 10 years and I doubt we have the cattle or ability to play finals footy in 2023. We have major flaws, we have had a few for years, Brad has problems and not sure how to address them.
For mine the Matto decision, Brad,s statement that he and the club stood behind Matto was wrong.
If we don't make the 8 for mine it shows problems with the coach team and recruiting.
I wasn't talking about cheating, Graham, I was referring to a conversation PT47 was involved in earlier today that I wasn't, just quoting what he said. And asking him for the same proof he demanded from someone else in that conversation.
BTW, your last paragraph goes without saying, doubt anyone would disagree.
Seriously... your comment makes no sense just like your name, how about making a worthwhile contribution.