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  Magpie August 27, 2019 at 5:21pm

  "So if you don’t do the things that Facebook approves of, they’re going to cut you off from their platform"

  Fark I'm shitting myself. Imagine if they banned me from something I don't use. Crazy lefties.

  The right would never impinge on your personal liberty or freedoms. Except for things like the US patriot act and, hmmm a little program called Cointelpro.

  One side might ban you from a social media platform, the other murders you in your bed ( See Fred Hampton)...

  
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    Wile E. Coyote > Magpie August 27, 2019 at 5:58pm

    I think what is starting to happen is that if a customer bad mouths a company on social media then patron search will identify them as a trouble maker and companies will ban them - like they will not be able to get an Uber. But could easily go further and you could be blacklisted for this political view or that depending on how the company decides to customise the search. The tech already exists as was done for the Chinese government to thought control its population
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      Magpie > Wile E. Coyote August 27, 2019 at 7:47pm

      You'd have to go pretty far in your criticism to get a company to not want to use you for profit. 

      Let's say worst case scenario a company decides to stop allowing people of a certain political viewpoint to not access there service. There essentially undermining there own ability to be a profitable entity.  

      The whole point of a company is to make money for shareholders. It would be a strong decision to vote against making profit for a moral position, something I can't see being done regularly enough to become an issue.
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        Wile E. Coyote > Magpie August 27, 2019 at 8:44pm

        It is already happening 
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          Magpie > Wile E. Coyote August 27, 2019 at 9:09pm

          Any examples you can point to?
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            Wile E. Coyote > Magpie August 27, 2019 at 9:27pm

            Using tech the ones in the article

            However it is nothing new 

            Racism, sexism, classes etc have been around forever and businesses have been happy to lose money and not serve people who belong to one group or another. In the US there have been businesses who have refused to serve people who wear apparel supporting a political group they dislike.
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              Magpie > Wile E. Coyote August 27, 2019 at 10:56pm

              After reading the original article, there drawing loooong bow trying to link the tech thing to China's system.

              The insurance company examples are nothing they haven't been doing for decades just with a modern twist, rather than just your health records, the patronscan uber  / airbnb ones basically mean if you act like a carnt other businesses can be made aware, just like people get  known for there reputation in a small town, just supersized. For the majority of the population these are non issues because they don't act like twats, ergo non ban, ergo no issue. 

              Asian culture is vastly different in it's outlook on the dynamic between the individual and the group. In the west we're told to put individual wants and needs first. Asian countries it's all about being a good citizen, don't bring shame on your family, hence the greater acceptance of the idea of social monitoring and conformity.

              This is just the extension of that normal human tension between the individual and the pressure to conform to a cultural norm, not a grand technocratic minority report conspiracy.

              But these wafflers like to jump at " faceless men, deep state, silicon valley, bureaucrats, intellectuals, global elites etc etc" that are trying to secretly steal your freedoms, when in fact everybody already regulates there behaviour to some extent to fit in and comply in society.
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                Wile E. Coyote > Magpie August 28, 2019 at 6:01am

                One point is how does patronscan differentiate between   Someone who was wronged by a company sharing that on social media and someone unfairlly slandering a company. 

                Another point is what is to stop the company legally  using patron scan for barring people who express support for one political group

                Google Facebook twitter etc are explicitly trying to change the way people vote. 

                At the moment there is a deficiency in the law where it is legal for companies to discriminate based on political views. This needs to be corrected.

                 
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                  Magpie > Wile E. Coyote August 28, 2019 at 8:25am

                  It says in the original article that " Judgment about what kind of behavior qualifies for inclusion on a PatronScan list is up to the bar owners and managers. Individual bar owners can ignore the ban, if they like." 

                  So " bad behavior " isn t set by the company, rather the users. And can be ignored if they chose.

                  Traditional media outlets ( Cough cough Murdoch) have explicitly tried to change voters opinions for years and years. 

                  But I take your point as to the stratification of opinion and feedback loops that occur on social media. Essentially there algorithms are designed to present you with similar content with what you have interacted with in the past.

                  So that generally means things you really like, or things you really hate, and you get an polarized  view of a topic, or you come to think things are happening more than they probably are.
          • Steve > Magpie August 28, 2019 at 9:56am

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