PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
Replies
What is systematic racism. The term is thrown around a lot, but a black man rose to the very top office of president why didn't the system stop him.
Many blacks and other minorities have attained high level of achievement and jobs, but as Kirk and many people argue the majority come from the much hated nuclear family of mum dad and couple kids.
Maybe it isn't racism holding people back but economic opportunities and cultural differences they grow up in.
Asians are over represented when it comes to academic outcomes and economic as they obtain better jobs. Yet many go to the same schools as white and blacks so they had the same opportunity to learn and develop their academic outcomes which lead to better jobs and economic outcomes.
In the black communityi read those who attend church are more likely to have good school attendance or work when adults. Not sure where I read it, and I am not religious but there is something to be said about having faith and values that encourage a good life.
Good academic outcomes are followed by employment opportunities. With work ethic better job offers or further study is then available. How is the system racist when everyone is given the same opportunities at the start which access to education.
Except now there clearly are not the same opportunities once it comes to higher education. The scholarships for higher learning for minorities far out way those opportunities for others such as white kids.
Well put FM, easily understood and lucid for even an old idiot like me.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Just a quick note. I applaud everyone who has posted on this discussion-worthy topic. Despite robust disagreement and diverse ideologies, it's been largely civil.
Frankly, I can't recall many discussions of this sensitive nature on here have been this civil over the last decade or so I've been here. Not one comment has been edited or removed as far as I'm aware and there are no plans to close this blog. Yet. Thanks all.
-
8
-
9
-
10
-
11
-
12
of 12 Next