PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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How do you think Jewish people feel, are they not entitled to feel safe like LaLa but many fighting for trans rights are also projecting the same hatred to other groups. Should I feel safe if I choose to wear a T-shirt with the Australian flag on it because I am not.
Should Kirk have felt safe talking at a university, of course he should have.
There is plenty of talk about safe spaces and entitled to safety but it seems many on extremes of both sides don't feel everyone deserves the same rights. The problem is the extreme left is a lot deeper then the extreme right and the centre leaning left will support their extremist more than centre leaning right people support far right.
The majority believe in rights for everyone so please tell me who is stomping on LaLa's rights.
This is the thing, last week there were what 7 or 8 fuckwits , actual dead set fuckwits , starved for attention , who were literally fighting with peaceful Australians having a march for their own reasons. It doesn't matter what their reasons are , or whether you agree with them , they were peacefully doing what they are entitled to do.
And yet, every MSM source were presenting them as a big bunch of Australian rascist bogan bigots , Cronulla Riots Mach 2 . Would I feel like I would not get looked own upon wearing a Aussie flag shirt to the shop ? No way , you'd be boo'd and spat at anywhere Wollongong Uni at the busy time of day , true story.
As for La -La , I frequented DCM and Oxford street for years , we mingled and partied with trans people , our whole generation did.
So what's different for La-La now in this generation that makes La- La ( or you ) think La-La is in any imminent danger ? Perception ? Or have you actually seen this with your own eyes ? Or is it the LBGTI political movement leading you to believe that their members are in far more danger then we all realise unless we have this big bunch of super smelly , radical , screaming , violent , fuckwits , to keep everyone safe from people like me ?
I find it fascinating (in a bad way) that promoting the flag of the country that we live in is looked down upon by some or many that live in this very country.
Is our country perfect, certainly not. Could we do many things better, absolutely. But, we are lucky enough to live in a great country, maybe the best. We should celebrate that fact.
Well it's the left who feel that waving the Aussie flag is a shameful thing to do and it's the left who believe that we should be ashamed of Australia's history .
That's an over generalized assumption. I'm centre Left. I like people waving the Australian Don't have an issue. It's inspiring, especially when it's in an international sporting occasion. Why shouldn't people celebrate and be proud of their country. I suppose if it were ever used to celebrate an assassination or murder, I might question it. But I can't recall having an issue with our flag to date.
Agreed Fongy. Until the flag adopts pronouns and identifies as indigenous, the extreme lefties will look down on anyone who waves it. For the record, I think we need a new flag but I'll continue to wave the one we have in the short-term.
Trump said something similar: The Left is the problem. The Right essentially are victims. The Old Blame-Game-Victim routine works a treat at solving things.
How are you going to fix things? Do a Bob "Cart the Left off to work camps" Smith who calls for Civil War?
I suppose the two husband and wife Democrats getting gunned by a hard-right winger in their home along with their Labrador was their own fault? The Left's fault, or fake news.
There is no peaceful solution to the problem in the US. Both sides ceased civilised dialogue years ago. What's your solution? Keep bickering and telling one side to reform while the other keeps being violent?
Bob, You're wrong and/or misled on that point. The radical right has been violent, not just the radical Left. Ask the kids of the Two Democrats, husband & wife, gunned down in their home along with their Labrador by a hard-right winger. Months before Kirk. What happened to all four and their families was tragic.
You've misunderstood my point. If one side surrenders - it doesn't matter who - the other side doesn't, how is that a solution?
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