PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Wiz,
You said: "Extremists have No moral compass and not remotely intrested in alternative views." Yep.
Mu suspicion is some believe they're doing the right thing in some roundabout, warped way. Some cause. Purpose. Others, perhaps just follow urges and fantasies.
Dunno, really don't. I'd love to understand the psychology behind sociopathic actions but maybe never will. I'm kind of intrigued and baffled over the modern day psychology definition of the layman sociopath/psychopath/extremist as an "anti-social personality disorder." A deep rabbit hole.
So you realise that murder on the train of the poor white woman was not deemed a hate crime ,yeah ? Even though he was quoted saying he " got that white bitch " .
Would you consider the BLM riots a hate crime ? Cause they aren't recorded as such either.
Hence Kirk's whole argument . Same goes for discussions about Trans shooters being not on the table for discussion.
As I said, both sides = nutters. But the topic here is why was this guy so severely hated by the left for wanting to discuss these topics.
I don't need no leader that's gonna force feeder
Concept that make me think I need to
Fear my brother and fear my sister
And shoot my neighbor with my big missile
If I had an enemy (Enemy)
If I had an enemy (Enemy) ..........If I had an enemy, then my enemy
Is gonna try to come and kill me ‘cause I'm his enemy
When you seek out enemies, you will find them...but you made them your enemy. They will find you also.
Ok Randy , now remove gang crime shootings.
Wiz, could a right-leaning person date a transgender person? Would it change his political label overnight? Just curious.
You once said stats can be spun any way. Consider this.
Trans adults over 18 are say 0.8% of the US population
Trans people are 0.3% of the US prison population→ ratio suggests 40% overrepresentation.
Technically true, but 99.7% of prisoners are not transgender.
So which should we use?
Alarmist framing could encourage the average paranoid Joe to think prisons are “flooded” with "too much evil" trans people and by extension, fear The "Evil" Left. What are the real consequences of this kind of alarmism? Do they help inspire and spread more divide, incite more panic and even violence, or help matters? What are we really after or want?
Let's see what kind of responses get generated by some on here.
Wiz, could a right-leaning person date a transgender person? Would it change his political label overnight? Just curious.
Well you tell me , what do you think ? Personally I feel you can swing from one leaning to another overnight. It only takes one clip that resonates and you're instantly swinging. Thats my opinion, but I class myself as a swinging voter who's more inclined to be agreeing with right values at present. And the older I get , the crazier and less able to have a civil debate the other side seems. The LBGTI " political movement" arm of the left don't help their cause. Homosexuals would do themself far better to distance themselves from that movement .
But let's say someone was more civil, and took more time to understand where the people on the right came from without calling them nAzIs or rAcIsts , and aknowleged that maybe fat lesbians screeching and 5 year old boys identifying as girls may just be extreme , then maybe I'd take an instant swing overnight as I'd be drawn to listen to them. I'll listen to a level headed lefty all day. I enjoy the debate , learning and discussion.
Do you think that non radical Muslims can be radicalised over a short period ? I feel like you're assuming he was a hardcore MAGA yokel and not just a homosexual kid that grew up in a family that admitted they are Republicans ?
Actually, no. Quite the opposite of what you assume. Over-assuming hasn't served me well in life tbh.
I remember talking to someone about the shooter when he was first captured — when he was Left for sure, then Right (MAGA family), now seemingly Left-leaning with a trans partner — he looked troubled. I swelled up for the Kirk family, and even the shooter and family as strangely contradictory as that sounds.
Going by gut and Peterson’s personality correlations, he might naturally lean Left, though there’s evidence of far-right influence (Groypers, MAGA). At 22, he was barely out of adolescence. And yet, us adults are so invested in his political leaning. That's telling. Perhaps he was caught in a tangle of radical ideologies: MAGA, far-right extremism, college politics, gaming violence, and personal conflicts, his feelings for his trans partner, and probably an inner leaning that may have not fitted in with his world. A dangerous hotpot. Maybe the truth is more nuanced and uncomfortable? I really don't know though. Just thinking out loud. Rather than making concrete conclusions.
Bottom line: his sociopathic actions led to murder and mayhem. The consequences, regardles, are as dire as they are tragic. And I fear a wider spreading impact judging by all the rhetoric. Maybe that's what the shooter wanted?
I have no real interest in or fear of Trans...but i will say this.
My daughter hs a core group of 30odd friends who traversed a selective high-school together. Many different Uni's,but they are still tight as fuck in their mid 20's. They are a joy to be around and i class every single one of them as high quality friends. They have become some of my most valued friends. They do not come empty handed. Talking with them adds rich colour to my life.
One of them(La-La) has been trans from the get go. No-one else was "infected" by our "virulent" compadre. Why would she encourage anyone else to go Trans??? It's a tragically hard internal path La-La walks, lined with external rock-throwers she has never met There is no payoff for her other than feeling internally consistent. She is not in it for the outrage so keep your fucking ideological mitts off her or her friends will get involved
La-La can be a bit flakey, sure, but LaLa is absolutely genuine and totally non-violent. The rest of us are fiercely protective of her and will give not one inch on her right to an ordinary life. She housemates with our former aust jnr Middleweight champ friend. This helps her feel safe. Lets her feel safe in her home, like you or me.
Stomping on her rights, including her right to live in peace, unharrassed, will NOT wash with us. And we won't just sit around whineing. We will defend her.
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How do you think Jewish people feel, are they not entitled to feel safe like LaLa but many fighting for trans rights are also projecting the same hatred to other groups. Should I feel safe if I choose to wear a T-shirt with the Australian flag on it because I am not.
Should Kirk have felt safe talking at a university, of course he should have.
There is plenty of talk about safe spaces and entitled to safety but it seems many on extremes of both sides don't feel everyone deserves the same rights. The problem is the extreme left is a lot deeper then the extreme right and the centre leaning left will support their extremist more than centre leaning right people support far right.
The majority believe in rights for everyone so please tell me who is stomping on LaLa's rights.
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