The similarities from this scene (watch below) in the movie Moneyball and what is happening at our club at present is pretty much identical.
Just change the names of the players, recruitment strategy to replace them, spending to compared to other clubs....
Spoiler alert to those that haven’t watched the full movie, in the end the “Moneyball” team broke the record for consecutive wins, but once again bombed out in the playoffs.
Sound familiar?
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The club got stung last time because it was the epitome of stupidity. Clubs can "introduce" players to business people. Those business people can then organise TPAs. As a club, we seem to be steering clear of TPAs because of the recent history, and the evidence of that is being felt now with good players leaving.
sorry Rock but you are part of the problem. You think you know all about tpa's, but your not seeing the bigger picture. What people on here might be saying are TPA's are actually something else that dosnt have to be declared as aTPA as such.
The Rorters do it very legally by providing whole of life financial benefits and whole of life financial wellbeing and selling the fact that a player that plays for the roosters is able to continue earning big dollars after football finishes which more then makes up for a dip in earning capacity under the salary cap.
The Roosters players not only get direct access to the big end of town business world, where they get access to and are able to invest in Property developments as a share holder , managed share funds to gaining special loan rates from Mark Bouris and yellow brick rd, to ambassador roles at numerous businesses , and media outlets, coaching gigs all over the state. Hell even my local Group Football club is hiring a coach with a house on the beach thrown in. The Roosters frame a financial model that keeps on giving to the player well after they have left their playing days. They use their wealthy club Patrons, Via Politis to show a player that they can earn untold millions over decades instead of just 1million from a salary cap.
This is where the Roosters, The Storm , The Broncos, The Rabbits and now "The Dogs are attempting to start theres" are excelling and why teams like ours are so far behind the eight ball its not funny, when trying to compete for the talent.
Our club needs to understand this and promote an exclusive Businessmans Patron arm that understands and can approach players via a legal inviation to promote whole of life financial benefits not just thinking in terms of a salary cap and thats as much as we can do. The 9.6 million the salary cap offers players to play is small change compared to the business world and what the best players are getting by being introduced into the world of share development, managed funds, investment clubs and the like. This is what is being refered to as TPA's by a lot of people. Whilst the word TPA is wrong the concept isnt and its all legal.
Why would a Brandon Smith have signed with us for say $800k a year for say 5 years = 4.5million of salary cap money. Then perhaps his career is over and he retires in 5 years and left to work out what he will do after footy.
The Roosters will pay him 600k for the few years whilst he is capable of being one of the best, however he will be invited into investment clubs where he can buy a share for a housing high rise development that in 4 years when they are built and sold, earns him 15million dollars, he is able to continue to access numerous different investment oppurtunities via inviatation which just keeps going on and on and on. Or he earns himself an ambassadore role with large business, the club, or media , its all the same but its tailored to suit each player and their life style etc. This is the difference between the high end of town and the golden west, and what a lot of people believe are TPA's.
The $$ is subjective, and im not suggesting a small amount of investment for enormous dollars that are not legit, nor am i saying 600k turns into 15 million, far from it."sorry if its come accross that way" I am informing you that investing via Invitation to Managed funds and managed investment oppurtunites for whole of life financial gain and being introduced to the big end of town , CEOs and multi national companies, what im suggesting is what is happening. Players are allowed to invest, players are allowed to earn money after football, they can have other jobs even whilst playing footy "under certain notifications etc". I am not suggesting anything illegal Brissy, what they are doing, educating and introductions that lead to other introductions and inviations to investment oppurtunities is most definitely what is happening. The size of investment is indivdualistic however the whole players package is now based upon wealth creation over whole of life, not just the salary cap dollars over a small period of time.
Make no mistake Brissy The top teams now have this vision in practice, and its not one way either. If more and more players invest in a major development , or start up company etc they make money and the Mark Bouris's of the world make money as well. Its not just a one way thing, this is the clubs educating players, showing them how to create wealth over a long period of time and giving them oppurtunites to do so. The benefits just keep on keeping on.
Hell Even Steve Smith the cricketer in 2015 invested $100'000 via an invitation in a start up company called Koala. Its a bed mattress company. In 2019 that investment was now worth over $12million dollars, more then his entire cricket salary earnings. Its public knowledge and easy to google. Our footballers and their agents are now being presented with similar oppurtunites if they ply their trade for a few years at certain clubs.
This is why Brissy we are so far behind competing, once upon a time a player went somewhere because they got free beers, then it was a job in the cellar of the leagues club, then it was the location and access to the best gym etc Well now the package is Inviation and education to wealth creation oppurtunites, thats how they get and thats how they are begining to keep xfactor players.
I've got a 7.6 mtr half cabin Boston whaler ( requires new transom ) that I can park in Dylan Brown's drive way, help him and his family latter on to lots and lots of hoki .LOL nevertheless valid points B E
how the fuck am i part of the problem? i dont have any say or control over what the football does or doesnt do......stupid comment!!!
What i was pointing out was that everyones simple way to solve the "problem" is to "just go out and get tpa's" wihtout any understanding of the intracacies and risks of doing so. its not such a simple process....
I certainly agree that, from the outside looking in, there maybe needs to a holistic approach. However, no-one outside of the internal staff of the organisation actually know what has been presented - everyone else is speculating or assuming none of that is done.
I would suggest that most clubs would offer that after life education - some, as you suggest, may have a greater range of opportunities from rich benefactors - but there aint that many Mark Bouris', Nick Politis, James Packer, Mike Cannon-Brookes etc around....eels seem to have a good reputation for education etc..
The quote "your part of the problem" I was referring to people being closed off to whole of package idea when putting together an offer for a player. Most people think of any monies outside of the salary cap as a TPA. Even though thats not the case, its an easy reference for people to just say TPA. When i see people just shut down the idea and the notion that a real way of securing an xfactor player or two, or even keeping a superstar now involves so much more work in designing a whole of life financial package. Its no longer as simple as how much in the salary cap should we give this player or that. To compete in the market for the best of best players as a club we need to understand and develop legal ways of increasing a players salary well beyond the salary cap component. Yes its very hard to organise, yes its intricate, yes it needs a legal system and framework developed, yes it requires like minded Eels Patrons to come to the party, it involves complex and legal issues when organising the share funds, investment funds and the like. And it must be void of the club. However this is where the new battle field is in securing xfactor players to play for your club. Above and beyond a players capacity to earn $$ from the salary cap alone. The new financial package ie introductions which lead to introductions and education so to speak or in most peoples language refered to as TPA's "even though this is the incorrect term". So it bugs me when some people just shut down any notion that there are other ways to sell or offer a player a better complete package. Thats why i used the term, part of the problem. I was referencing the shutdown mentality that there are more ways to give a player value then just salary cap $$.
Once upon a time it may of been the ability to live on the beach and have a coffee on Bondi etc. Now its introductions to the business world and the CEOs of startups and share investment managers or capital raising ventures.
The world of League and attarcting players is changing and the Roosters, Storm, Rabbits,are at the forefront.
There's an interesting article doing the rounds about Nick Politis given the drama around Brandon Smith, and it used the example of how Nick helped Cooper Cronk secure a 30k grant to allow him to apply for Cronk to do his MBA at Harvard. Nick didn't give him the money, but provided him with the contact.
Interesting, the Roosters tried to sign Mitch Moses in 2017, but MM reneged on the deal to sign with the Eels. That's when Nick refused to deal with Isaac Moses, but somehow still signed James Tedesco.
I just saw the article today Brett, im going to put it up in its own post, it rejnforces exactly what i was saying. Probably better written though.
Actually no Rocky, they fcuked up the paper bags and the TPA's.....the rule's for TPA's are there and it is not hard. The previous administration were so dumb, they did no research or look into what was required.
Simple way to do them is just makesure the NRL are fully aware of everything. They have to be reported anyway, anyone trying to hide them, ventures down old Parra ways.
No one is suggesting paper bags or any of the more subtle methods of family members jobs/businesses or golf games with the chairman. A great example of a TPA was Thurston's deal with the headgear company. Lots of businneses out there that can call on a player to present to a promotion or be a dinner guest at an important meeting.......etc etc
5 lots of 100k would have secured our team! I think this is where we have lost them, ie its only the cap effect that has been disclosed not the deal that goes with it. Originally the concept was to protect players from raid's from other codes, because no club could defend them through the cap if they were being poached by another code, AFL did this to a limited extent and also Union. They introduced a marquee player scheme, but I am not sure where that is now,
Spot on poppa
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