I thought Luke Garner could have been good for settling things down. Maybe Debellin if the kiddies will listen to someone who looks older than grandad....ok boomer
Well said Randy . Frustration and trying too hard can be an issue. I liked the way Gould did his commentary on Channel 9 when we played the Panthers. He spoke a fair bit about patiently wearing down Parra mentally and physically. They are masters at doing that. Defense , defence, defence can wear down a side which tries everything they can to break down oppositions attack. . That becomes frustrating and attacking sides start taking risks and mistakes start. That further becomes frustrating and it's difficult to get back mental composure and the score lines breakout against you which further compounds the problem.
I have a lot of doubts about the effectiveness of aggressive coach half time speeches as well.. Players are physically and mentally exhausted and are not receptive to further inputs about different tactics etc
I am a strong believer of mindfulness training in as Coryn mentioned in an earlier post. Keep things simple and don't further clutter an overactive noisey emotional mindset.
I think a good example is how composed Ivan and Nathan Cleary are in how quiet their mental energy is. All the mental and physical preparation should be done before game day . Keep the mental energy quiet displined and focused and watch your opposition crumble mentally and physically. The opportunities will come.
You don't need ex factor saviour s . You just need good well prepared players. Panthers " talents" have been slowly drained over the last few years but their systems still keep them very competitive..
Can Ryles think his way in a direction that simply looks for other talented players to replace who we have in our nursery or consider a direction which works for the Panthers so well?
You don't need superstars, but guys who can shape the minds of those around them with their own clarity of thought/action. Trent Merrin really helped the Panthers pack develop, RCG especially, a while ago...and we seemed different with Beau Scott playing. more than just his physical input... Someone to help Luca and Tuaiviti and KitKat and hopgood and Doorey find a way to walk the path Ryles sets. I would have thought Matterson might fill the role...but he just fills roster space. Lane never had it to give...Moses gives us this, but do some of these freshies even recognise the bloke anymore
You all projected, essentially off the back of the discussion that I took to another spectrum (notice I didn't say level). I would have preferred that you actually came up with an understanding of the problem rather than "smoking causes cancer".and then under stand that my solution was the mix of all those things you have identified as "motherhoods".
One thing I cannot help but understand is that both you Tad and Randy have not dealt with elite athletes, that just happen to play a game where intellect is not an absolute primary.....use DB as a very good example of a badly handled player, Jarryd Hayne falls into the same category.
Randy, Cleary has been criticized for not being an State of Origin player. Maybe it's the system that doesn't work for him the same way it works for him at the Panthers.Some players coming into the Panthers have excelled some players that have left have probably gone backwards?
I wonder if Galvin decided to go with Bulldogs to further his career with a Gould (Panthers) inspired Bulldogs system which is working very well in a short time span?
Its a $64 question Tad, without knowing what is in a kid of 19's head, my guess is he has been councilled (by whom) that it makes sense rather than the "bigger punt" that Parra would be.
Everone knows that I am not a Blaize Talagi fan but his move to Penrith is unqualified no brainer. Playing there (there was a position available, unlike Galvin's situation).
Go back to my previous comments about Parra's record of bringing young players through. I am trusting in Ryles potentially managing this in the future, as long as he is provided with the materials to do so.
There is a strong argument developing that building from the bottom up i.e. Juniors then Cup is his best approach. I think he needs to buy some experience just the same.....if he is not winning FG matches then he cannot last to see the foundations working for him.
Players being handled badly is a two way street.Some players don't respond for a reason.That has to be worked out. If you want to keep a player who is not fitting in ( eg Brown) you have to work that out . Would Brown be a better player who reaches his potential in another environment? I don't know. There are examples where players have thrived in the right environment eg Jenkins at Panthers.
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I thought Luke Garner could have been good for settling things down. Maybe Debellin if the kiddies will listen to someone who looks older than grandad....ok boomer
Well said Randy . Frustration and trying too hard can be an issue. I liked the way Gould did his commentary on Channel 9 when we played the Panthers. He spoke a fair bit about patiently wearing down Parra mentally and physically. They are masters at doing that. Defense , defence, defence can wear down a side which tries everything they can to break down oppositions attack. . That becomes frustrating and attacking sides start taking risks and mistakes start. That further becomes frustrating and it's difficult to get back mental composure and the score lines breakout against you which further compounds the problem.
I have a lot of doubts about the effectiveness of aggressive coach half time speeches as well.. Players are physically and mentally exhausted and are not receptive to further inputs about different tactics etc
I am a strong believer of mindfulness training in as Coryn mentioned in an earlier post. Keep things simple and don't further clutter an overactive noisey emotional mindset.
I think a good example is how composed Ivan and Nathan Cleary are in how quiet their mental energy is. All the mental and physical preparation should be done before game day . Keep the mental energy quiet displined and focused and watch your opposition crumble mentally and physically. The opportunities will come.
You don't need ex factor saviour s . You just need good well prepared players. Panthers " talents" have been slowly drained over the last few years but their systems still keep them very competitive..
Can Ryles think his way in a direction that simply looks for other talented players to replace who we have in our nursery or consider a direction which works for the Panthers so well?
You don't need superstars, but guys who can shape the minds of those around them with their own clarity of thought/action. Trent Merrin really helped the Panthers pack develop, RCG especially, a while ago...and we seemed different with Beau Scott playing. more than just his physical input... Someone to help Luca and Tuaiviti and KitKat and hopgood and Doorey find a way to walk the path Ryles sets. I would have thought Matterson might fill the role...but he just fills roster space. Lane never had it to give...Moses gives us this, but do some of these freshies even recognise the bloke anymore
You all projected, essentially off the back of the discussion that I took to another spectrum (notice I didn't say level). I would have preferred that you actually came up with an understanding of the problem rather than "smoking causes cancer".and then under stand that my solution was the mix of all those things you have identified as "motherhoods".
One thing I cannot help but understand is that both you Tad and Randy have not dealt with elite athletes, that just happen to play a game where intellect is not an absolute primary.....use DB as a very good example of a badly handled player, Jarryd Hayne falls into the same category.
Randy, Cleary has been criticized for not being an State of Origin player. Maybe it's the system that doesn't work for him the same way it works for him at the Panthers.Some players coming into the Panthers have excelled some players that have left have probably gone backwards?
How many people on this site have dealt with elite athletes? Many people working with elite athletes have not been successful?
So what does that mean?
Was not the point being made about some players being handled badly,
I wonder if Galvin decided to go with Bulldogs to further his career with a Gould (Panthers) inspired Bulldogs system which is working very well in a short time span?
Its a $64 question Tad, without knowing what is in a kid of 19's head, my guess is he has been councilled (by whom) that it makes sense rather than the "bigger punt" that Parra would be.
Everone knows that I am not a Blaize Talagi fan but his move to Penrith is unqualified no brainer. Playing there (there was a position available, unlike Galvin's situation).
Go back to my previous comments about Parra's record of bringing young players through. I am trusting in Ryles potentially managing this in the future, as long as he is provided with the materials to do so.
There is a strong argument developing that building from the bottom up i.e. Juniors then Cup is his best approach. I think he needs to buy some experience just the same.....if he is not winning FG matches then he cannot last to see the foundations working for him.
Players being handled badly is a two way street.Some players don't respond for a reason.That has to be worked out. If you want to keep a player who is not fitting in ( eg Brown) you have to work that out . Would Brown be a better player who reaches his potential in another environment? I don't know. There are examples where players have thrived in the right environment eg Jenkins at Panthers.
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