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"We won't have a hope in hell of building our way out of this housing supply issue if we only take immigrants from first world countries Fong.
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The Australian First Fleet's population, though mainly convicts tried in Britain, included people of diverse nationalities such as Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Black Africans, Americans, West Indians, and from countries like France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Holland, Portugal, and Madagascar, along with North Americans and people from the Indian subcontinent. These individuals were not just convicts, but also included soldiers, officers, sailors, cooks, and families.
Despite the bleating from all sides of government, Australia can't meaningfully cut immigration because we rely on it to keep our GDP humming.
Is it an unsustainable Ponzi scheme? Probably. But so is investment housing, and we keep pumping that up to no end.
Immigration isn't the problem...the way our entire economy is structured is the problem. We produce nothing in this country other than digging up minerals (what luck they were under our feet, just like the Beverly Hillbillies) and flipping property to each other.
We hide our lack of productivity and innovation through migration - we import skills and demand. It works until it doesn't. Now we're feeling the impacts. But this system is the same system that enabled the generations before us to flourish and enjoy the best of the best times.
You know why neither of the major parties will change a thing? Because all of their biggest supporters need to keep digging up minerals, and flipping houses, and importing cheap labour.
Immigration isn't the problem and if you think "this major party is good and this one is bad" then you're ignoring the fact that ALL governments since the last world war have propped up this model in Australia. We reap what we sow. The last few generations used up all of the good times and now generations to come have to face the consequences.
Immigration is not the issue , immigration from 3rd world shit holes is the issue and you only need look at Europe to see the issues they cause .
It is both FONG. We can't house what we have here as it is and I agree. Refer to my comment about skilled immigrants and those that value and respect our laws and our values.
Immigration is terrific and has been an engine of growth for our country for decades. But it must work for us. If we don't have enough homes, importing more people will add to that demand. Importing people who go immediately onto welfare is also another head scratcher. If you come here legally with a job lined up in a skilled area and immediately start earning a wage isn't that what it's meant to be? Isn't that the bare minimum? Economists are obsessed with GDP growth but the only metric that truly matters is GDP per capita. How prosperous is each person and is that getting better or worse. What's the point of growing the economic pie by adding more people if it means we're all getting poorer individually.
Surely we're mature enough as a country to have these discussions without being racist or calling people racist for discussing it.
Immigration is great when immigrants are not from 3rd world counries.
We won't have a hope in hell of building our way out of this housing supply issue if we only take immigrants from first world countries Fong.
I agree with the aspiration that we should encourage immigration that lifts our standard of living by bringing in the most skilled, best and brightest.
But if we do that we're going to have to face into some hard home truths. Us Aussies are going to have to work a darn lot harder and smarter than we do today. And we're going to have to substantially lift the birth rate to avoid becoming Japan.
Governments are too short sighted to face into those hard problems. So lots of immigration from anywhere and everywhere is the easy answer.
I agree it's dumb, but unless we fix the actual problems we can't stop our levels of immigration, plain and simple.
100% that GDP per capita is a much better measure - but we won't do that because it'll show our productivity in Australia absolutely sucks.
The actual problem we have in Australia is a productivity and innovation problem. We have never HAD to innovate so we don't, we just rely on being "the lucky country".
Problem is the luck will run out. Minerals are finite. The housing bubble can only inflate so much before it divides the classes beyond ever being able to repair them again.
Other than minerals, we offer nothing to the world.
When we do innovate the only ways for those companies to survive is to leave Australia - Atlassian, Canva etc. They're trying hard to keep Australia relevant but both has to go to the US to make an impact.
If Australia wants to rely on anything other than luck, we need to lift our innovation and productivity. Which means working both smarter AND harder. If we're not willing to do this then the current Ponzi schemes of housing and immigration are the only way to keep us globally competitive and it will continue to create massive wealth gaps (poorer poor and richer rich) and our standard of living will continue to drop.
It's the type of immigration that's the problem. If your house is full are you going to let people come live in it, that don't speak your language or extremely little, who won't follow your house rules, who burn your house flag, etc... I reckon not and that's not being racist it's called using common sense
Mass immigration? Immigration levels are only returning to what they were under the coalition government prior to COVID.
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