How are we feeling after watching that demolition, still think the our boys didn't turn up after the loss? We played much better and than the Storm did tonight, we defended better and attacked better. I get the doom & gloom after a loss, and I definitely get the frustration, but Panthers have gone to another level this year so we just need to chill and make the other matches count best we can. I'm hoping last weeks game hasn't affected the team to much and they go into Monday's game with some confidence, or the Tigers will beat them.
Secretly hoping we get the Panthers after an Origin game and they rest a few players - they're looking so hot right now.
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Listening to the Clearys in the presser they sound very much like Bill Walsh the famous 49er nfl coach.
Cleary Snr talks about the process and preparation more so than anything else week to week getting the players up to perform and the result takes care of itself.
Chins talks about the foundation being there defensively never once did I hear them talk about the score line except being surprised at what it was.
This is what locked in looks like they've recruited and developed so well even with a key defensive magnet like Mitch Kenny taken out of the middle they curb stomped Melbourne in the contact area in the middle third.
Then the flipside listening to Bellamy and Grant you saw deflation we should be better in some of the effort areas but in the same breath even those two are tipping there hats saying that this Penrith side are near enough to a juggernaut right now and it's going to take a hell of a team to stop them.
Onething I did take was Cleary Snr mentioned combinations and sticking with them that's exactly what they did with Blaize and Maclean defensively and threw in ICE to steady the ship they didn't panic last year when they were getting gashed on that side they stuck trusted there process and shored up the weakness and look what's happening teams aren't pouring through the mentioned the combination is still a work in progress but it's on the improve.We could learn something there.
Coryn, I suggest you go back to the blog asking if anyone is losing faith and have a read over some of the comments made after our loss to the Panthers. Are the 1eyedeel community in a state of panic? Are they trusting the process? Are they sticking with and supporting who we've got? Are they realising we are a work in progress and we are improving?
Delayed gratification is something important to aspire to (I know people are going to say we've been waiting 40 years), but under Ryles we are a bit over 12 months in to the process. The rewards will come if we just stick at it, just like Penrith.
Cleary is trusting the process after 4 back to back premierships and another on the way. Their team just walloped a team by 50, the team they walloped just put 50 on us. The process they're trusting has proven incredible success behind it... that's precisely why they trust it..
It's apples and oranges. We have no success to trust. Success doesn't just happen if you don't change, success happens when you find the right formula, prove it, and stay committed.
Here, on the other hand, was Bellamy's response (the Storm being the NRL era team that have sustained they highest standards for the longest):
"If they (Storm players) don't want to go harder, they can go and play in reserve grade and we'll bring some young blokes up," he said.
"That's how we always handle these situations.
"We've just got to learn from tonight and just be better, that's all. The disappointing thing for me was our defence.
"You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a good defender. You just need to work hard and be determined."
Steadfast when they win, uncompromising when they lose. That's what the Panthers and the Storm have in common.
Compare the Bellamy presser to our approach, that's a much more useful comparison.
Point taken.
How can you trust a process that is showing that is clearly floored.While I agree sticking with JR is the way foward they have no choice but I'm not sure sticking with what's above him helps the process and guess whose the fall guy.
Cleary trusted the process before 4 premierships, that's why the process is proven. Surely you understand I'm not talking about weekly team changes a coach makes lol
Weekly I don't think we have a process that's looking likely going foward it's clear we don't have the right people in places where it matters.Results have shown that off the park.So in such a key part why would I trust the process.
Fingers crossed always works I guess.
Lol come on Adam, Clearly got sacked from the Panthers and then returned in 2019 just before they started their 4 year premiership run (and made the GF the year before that run).
He's literally only won and won and won. I'd stay committed to that system too.
If we go by those metrics then Ryles should get us to the GF this year (second year) and then 4 premierships the following years. And then I agree he should remain committed to that system.
These comparisons between us and the Panthers are so off base, it's literally apples and oranges. If we keep deluding ourselves that "commitment" is the Panthers success as opposed to a once in a lifetime event where a boatload of money was poured into junior expansion (third party Packer money) and facilities right when the demographics of western Sydney were shifting and an enormous and hugely talented Pacific Islander base was swept up in Penriths system. They had smart people in charge who took the advantage and the money and were then lucky with the likes of Yeo and Cleary existing at the same time, and then built an enduring squad and system around it and have managed to hold the core together for a long time now.
Ivan Cleary is, I'm sure, a good coach but he's also been absolutely blessed by a heap of amazing timing, amazing luck and an amazing son. Dare I say it but BA achieved higher ceilings from a much lower talent base than Cleary has had to (again, lucky him).
The Penrith system is half luck and half amazing management. You can't predict luck but you have to have amazing management there to capitalise when it does strike and they have to be decisive.
We squandered our luck with Hayne at his peak. We have largely squandered Mitch Moses. Luck will strike again, but it's not passion and commitment that will capture it, it's amazing leadership who aren't afraid to make decisive and smart calls when luck blesses you (eg the Panthers firing Ivan, then firing Gus, then rehiring Ivan to ensure Cleary stayed put).
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We didn't play bad against each Penrith we just gave away errors and penalties. And maybe if we had a defense we'd probably lose that game 30-20 or even been close. We need something to click soon.
It's getting to the point where WADA need to pay the Panthers a surprise 4am visit. Peptides anyone?
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