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"God if we are relying on a Centre then times are tougher than we thought."
" Guy who gives off strong sockpuppetry vibes and uses laughing emoji as vocabulary gives advice on the deep end.... when all he ever does is dogpaddle in a piss-filled kiddie pool.
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"I can see the logic in that. Was coming more from a salary cap perspective. "
"If it means he comes early now, no point saints having him there if he missing several weeks. We use that time for him to learn our shapes etc, serves his suspension and is ready to go. Like the idea "
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Issue is, the market is so bare in a competition starving for middles. Making their price overvalued. If there is plenty of something you don't pay as much.
Yep exactly, supply & demand - plus our desperate need for the position.
I think perception of our middles is clouded by our defensive weaknesses on the edges and 5/8
Our best juniors are heading for the middle with the exception of Petrus, combine him with Sua and we have lateral cover there. Get Burton into 5/8 and whole defensive issues go away. I am hoping when ilongi comes back that Joash fills 5/8 and in the long term becomes one of the 6 on the bench. We then need a centre to replace Russell who is proving irreplaceable at the moment.
Would we match 650 to match the Perth offer, face value no but we could end up paying 700 a centre to replace him......make an offer within 50/100 for Russell and see if we can offer Perth some alternative.
Fair enough Pops, and you might be 100% correct, but I'm kinda seeing it as the opposite.
Imo, our middle is causing issues defensively on our edges, and our edges are already poor defensively from weak defensive links - our left has been hugely impacted by DB vacating, and our right having issues with Kelma / Moses.
Throw in our lack of metres & field position, then being dominated weekly in ruck speed, seems to be impacting line speed & first contact = fatigue.
Just opinion but I'm seeing a lot snowball from our middle, and we are on the back foot every week from there.
100% agree on Joash to 5/8th, our defence was proven far stronger with that set up.
All for our junior middles, but they're years away Pops, they'll be bled slowly - only Big Sam is anywhere near a starter, and that looks more 2027/2028?
I know you're not a big fan of Keaon and I get the hesitation, but imo we need someone, if not him, someone else. We cannot go into 2027 with this middle rotation - it's been a disaster.
We also have a desperate need for a metre eating winger, Lomax a huge loss (as is Simo), and JAC / Ionghi aren't huge metre guys, then obviously a centre to replace Russell as you mentioned (another big loss now).
If there is a silver lining to this injury crisis, it might be recruitment - let's hope Su'a is phase 1.
Just my view Pops, may be very wrong.
That's fine Nos, it was just my view as well. Good discussion points for future reference. Petrus maybe closer than you think, but again I don't see enough of him to substantiate the view. I realise petrus is not a middle btw.
If he is as good as EA thinks I am a believer if they are good enough they are old enough, just my old fashioned view about players going backwards playing with lessor players, rather than the guys in FG which is subjective anyway in our current dilemma.Keaon is not a bad player but he is not worth the sort of money he is getting where he is going, let alone with us. Mind you I dont think that in itself is an issue, it would be very remote we get him and I understand the relationship with Sua....there maybe more in that, but I could not imagine the Dragons releasing him in their current circumstances, I suspect I will have the same reality forced on me trying to get Russell back from Perth.
I always enjoy our conversations Nos, its all just opinions for the common good of our team! Lol
Just to reinterate the point on these young players, unless we have mentors actually playing in Reserve Grade like the old days, I believe that young players can go backwards playing week in and week out in Reserve Grade if they have elite ability....a subjectiveness all on its own. An opinion that probably dates me badly.
All great points Pops, and always good discussions - can definitely see your point of view for sure.
100% with you on that last paragraph. Hopefully as you say, some of the guys get their chance sooner rather than later & take it.
Now two new centres in Tago and Xerri. Trade Penesini and Kelly if we have to.
Push for Loko Tonga
Try and give Twidle or Papalii a go in 5/8
Twidle is gone, Papalii is a reserve grader at best. Chuck Burton a offer he can't refuse.
You do realise that Burton had like 4 try assists last season in a team that finished 3rd. Imagine how much of a fit your going to throw when he plays for us.
Hasn't played besides a proper 7 yet tho
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