Below is a cut and paste of the SMH Article Parrafanalia is referring to for our reference. In a sense, Dean Young falls into the the maybe Rockstar Rookie - NRL reputables tier-two group. Maybe Young is the Hitchcock thriller plot twist we asked for? Hopefully, we get a few more.
The Eels' Head Coach Job: The Hitchcock Cup
1 NRL Most-Reputable: Bennett (gone)
2 NRL Reputable Rockstar Rookies: Hannay (in Origin), Ryles, and maybe Young might be a dark horse; they appear to have wowed us enough to date; three's plenty a crowd on the hot Barbie convertible with Hot, Young Things
3 NRL Recycled Rehashes:Madge (gone atm) Holbrook (TBC),JD (gone atm), Barrett (TBC), Mary, Morris, Taylor, and Steve Price (the most successful assistant 2010 Dragons under Bennett, 2016 title under Flanagan, 30-0 Kiwis title under Madge) etc et al
4 Left Field: McDermott (gone atm), most successful and competent rugby league head coach in this field after Bennett, an English Supercoach, but largely unknown in the NRL world except for a minority such as Gus Gould
5 Far Left Field: Cheika (gone atm), wowed our board at the interview
Here's the article. A plot twist?
St George Illawarra Dragons assistant coach Dean Young becomes contender for Parramatta Eels job
Dean Young has rocketed into calculations for the Parramatta coaching job, armed with a glowing endorsement from the man the Eels originally attempted to headhunt, Wayne Bennett.
The bid to succeed Brad Arthur was widely considered a race in two between Josh Hannay and Jason Ryles, given that interim Trent Barrett is likely to be overlooked. However, sources not authorised to speak publicly have told this masthead that the club granted Young – currently an assistant to Shane Flanagan at St George Illawarra – a second interview. Young has informed the Dragons of his interest in the position.
Young has impressed Parramatta powerbrokers with the way he has discreetly made his pitch. Young will now continue through the application process with the heavyweight support of Bennett, the Eels’ initial target.
The seven-time premiership-winning coach, who knocked back the Eels to rejoin South Sydney, has a long association with Young. The pair combined at St George Illawarra as player and coach to steer the joint-venture outfit to its only premiership, in 2010.
“You can’t coach if you can’t lead. He ticks that box,” Bennett told this masthead. “He’s an outstanding person. Simple as that. When you go through all the details of what makes someone outstanding, that’s what he is.
“The best part is Dean actually wants to do it, he’s applied for the job. It’s not about what I think. He obviously thinks he can do it and I know Dean Young well enough to know he wouldn’t have applied for the job if he didn’t have the qualifications and the ability to do it.Dean Young is a contender to take over at Parramatta. CREDIT: GETTY
“Those champion players, they don’t like failure, no matter what they do. He’s in one of those categories. He’s doesn’t do failure. One thing about Dean, he doesn’t talk it. He lives it. That separates him from a lot of people.”
In a pointer to Bennett’s regard for Young, the seven-time premiership-winning mentor has previously attempted to employ him as an assistant at the Rabbitohs and Dolphins. Instead, Young’s coaching CV includes two stints at the Dragons, three years under Todd Payten in North Queensland, as well as roles with Tonga and the Indigenous All Stars.
“I wouldn’t have tried to hire him if I didn’t think he could handle [NRL head coaching],” Bennett said. “I know he is one of the most outstanding players I’ve ever coached, someone I regard as a very close friend. You have to remember that guy played with half a leg, with one leg.
“He got staph in it and couldn’t train most of the time. He was an absolutely outstanding leader. Ben Hornby, they were great friends and still are great friends.
“I know Dean Young well enough to know he wouldn’t have applied for the job if he didn’t have the qualifications and the ability to do it.”
Wayne Bennett on Dean Young
“Between those two guys, they were great for me personally during my three years at the Dragons. I’m quite sure he is capable. [Laughing] He coached the Dragons pretty well when I was there. Ben Hornby is in the same category.”
Also competing for the Parramatta role is former Roosters assistant Ryles, who knocked back the Dragons job to complete his coaching apprenticeship under Craig Bellamy at Melbourne. Hannay, currently the assistant to Billy Slater at the Maroons, has held interim head-coaching roles at Cronulla and North Queensland.
“With the exception of [former South Sydney coach] Jason Demetriou, who was in the mix [at Parramatta], they are all assistant coaches,” Bennett said.
“No one has more qualifications than Dean in that department. That’s the challenge for the people selecting it, they have all been assistant coaches. It’s not my prerogative to make their decision for them.
Dean Young and Wayne Bennett after their grand final win at the Dragons in 2010. CREDIT: GETTY
“They have to make a decision on who they think is the best person to coach their club. If it’s Dean, I would be absolutely elated for him. If it’s the other guys, I’d be pleased for them.”
Bennett said he could envision the day he would go up against Young in the opposition coaching box.
“I know Dean: I’d want to win and he’d want to win,” he said. “We would still be great friends after it. There would be no stupidity in the game or trying to get one up on each other, neither of us are made of that stuff. That’s one of the qualities I love about him.”
While Bennett knocked back the Eels, he was full of admiration for the western Sydney franchise.
“It’s a wonderful club, it was the club of the ’80s,” he said. “It’s had some success over its time and they have had some lean years. They’re a bit like the Dragons, they didn’t win a premiership for a long time until Dean played in that premiership team.
“Those clubs have been through the Super League war, the reduction of teams, all of that type of stuff. They have survived and are stronger than they have ever been. It’s a credit to them, there’s nothing there you wouldn’t want to coach.”
Dean Young emerges as shock contender for Eels coaching job
Most pundits felt the bid to succeed Brad Arthur was a race in two. However, Dean Young, armed with an endorsement from Wayne Bennett, is also a lead…
Exciting news, all 3 are good. I think Young has more of that "build championship culture" and I can see the players really responding well to him more than Ryles and Hannay. Especially senior players.
They're Reputable Rockstar Rookies. But we don't have a clue how "good" they'll be at head coaching at Parra. They've done Nada there. They could end up Benji or Kearney lemons. It's common knowledge assistant coaching is world's apart from head coaching roles. Galaxies apart.
The Rookies have done ZILCH as week-to-week top-tier head coaches. NADA. NOTHING. Hannay a bit for 36.7%.
Parra is its own club. Nothing like the Dogs, Storm, Cowboys, Warriors which have had mixed results with Rookies.
Rookie head coaches make mistakes, often big ones, while they learn the ropes. It's part of the P-Plater learning process.
At the moment we're equal last on points with Rookie Benji's Tigers. Over the next 12-36 months 11 of our top 17 will be approaching mid 30s. Our defence has been declining progressively since 2020 to now second last. We have a lot of work to do. It would be hard for an experienced head coach.
We need to prepare for 5-10 years of pain, with the best results happening over the next 12-18 months with this roster, when P-plating is most virgin. We'll need some huge recruitment rebuil and hope our juniors are superstars at NRL level.
Eli Stephens > Hell On EelsJune 22, 2024 at 8:02am
Be interesting to see which of the 3 get it, but the club does need a fresh start and hopefully a fresh set of eyes can help the club move forward. Some risk attached to it ofc
Hell On Eels > Eli StephensJune 22, 2024 at 8:17am
Yep, Eli, it's fascinating. You're right. As we're not going for competence and a proven winner but Rockstar Rookies - by reputation not reality - they pose grave risks as we have much work to do. Gus is right. But his words fall on deaf ears & the blind.
Eli Stephens > Hell On EelsJune 22, 2024 at 8:55am
I'm probably leaning to Hannay if I had to pick one of the 3 but it's hard to split them.
BEM, what gives you more confidence in Young? I have little hope in Ryles. Nice bloke, though.
Hannay's 2-yr interim coaching at circa 36.7% wasn't great. Holbrook was an interim coach at St Helens and he improved the team from mid-way to make the finals. Shows you a good coach can still make a difference even as an interim.
Hannay's teams when he was an interim head coach dropped to bottom four. However, at the Sharks towards the end they got up to 9th. He left them at the same level he got them. Maybe there's a glimmer of hope at that. But only marginally. Nothing definite.
I am saddened we're aren't going for a winner and competence in McDermott. Holbrook at least would provide some of that.
you know the only reason there are interim coaches is cos the team was shithouse and had to get rid of the coach so I would take zero meaning out of that 36.7% stat
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Below is a cut and paste of the SMH Article Parrafanalia is referring to for our reference. In a sense, Dean Young falls into the the maybe Rockstar Rookie - NRL reputables tier-two group. Maybe Young is the Hitchcock thriller plot twist we asked for? Hopefully, we get a few more.
The Eels' Head Coach Job: The Hitchcock Cup
1 NRL Most-Reputable: Bennett (gone)
2 NRL Reputable Rockstar Rookies: Hannay (in Origin), Ryles, and maybe Young might be a dark horse; they appear to have wowed us enough to date; three's plenty a crowd on the hot Barbie convertible with Hot, Young Things
3 NRL Recycled Rehashes: Madge (gone atm) Holbrook (TBC), JD (gone atm), Barrett (TBC), Mary, Morris, Taylor, and Steve Price (the most successful assistant 2010 Dragons under Bennett, 2016 title under Flanagan, 30-0 Kiwis title under Madge) etc et al
4 Left Field: McDermott (gone atm), most successful and competent rugby league head coach in this field after Bennett, an English Supercoach, but largely unknown in the NRL world except for a minority such as Gus Gould
5 Far Left Field: Cheika (gone atm), wowed our board at the interview
St George Illawarra Dragons assistant coach Dean Young becomes contender for Parramatta Eels job
Dean Young has rocketed into calculations for the Parramatta coaching job, armed with a glowing endorsement from the man the Eels originally attempted to headhunt, Wayne Bennett.
The bid to succeed Brad Arthur was widely considered a race in two between Josh Hannay and Jason Ryles, given that interim Trent Barrett is likely to be overlooked. However, sources not authorised to speak publicly have told this masthead that the club granted Young – currently an assistant to Shane Flanagan at St George Illawarra – a second interview. Young has informed the Dragons of his interest in the position.
Young has impressed Parramatta powerbrokers with the way he has discreetly made his pitch. Young will now continue through the application process with the heavyweight support of Bennett, the Eels’ initial target.
The seven-time premiership-winning coach, who knocked back the Eels to rejoin South Sydney, has a long association with Young. The pair combined at St George Illawarra as player and coach to steer the joint-venture outfit to its only premiership, in 2010.
“You can’t coach if you can’t lead. He ticks that box,” Bennett told this masthead. “He’s an outstanding person. Simple as that. When you go through all the details of what makes someone outstanding, that’s what he is.
“The best part is Dean actually wants to do it, he’s applied for the job. It’s not about what I think. He obviously thinks he can do it and I know Dean Young well enough to know he wouldn’t have applied for the job if he didn’t have the qualifications and the ability to do it.
Dean Young is a contender to take over at Parramatta. CREDIT: GETTY
“Those champion players, they don’t like failure, no matter what they do. He’s in one of those categories. He’s doesn’t do failure. One thing about Dean, he doesn’t talk it. He lives it. That separates him from a lot of people.”
In a pointer to Bennett’s regard for Young, the seven-time premiership-winning mentor has previously attempted to employ him as an assistant at the Rabbitohs and Dolphins. Instead, Young’s coaching CV includes two stints at the Dragons, three years under Todd Payten in North Queensland, as well as roles with Tonga and the Indigenous All Stars.
“I wouldn’t have tried to hire him if I didn’t think he could handle [NRL head coaching],” Bennett said. “I know he is one of the most outstanding players I’ve ever coached, someone I regard as a very close friend. You have to remember that guy played with half a leg, with one leg.
“He got staph in it and couldn’t train most of the time. He was an absolutely outstanding leader. Ben Hornby, they were great friends and still are great friends.
“Between those two guys, they were great for me personally during my three years at the Dragons. I’m quite sure he is capable. [Laughing] He coached the Dragons pretty well when I was there. Ben Hornby is in the same category.”
Also competing for the Parramatta role is former Roosters assistant Ryles, who knocked back the Dragons job to complete his coaching apprenticeship under Craig Bellamy at Melbourne. Hannay, currently the assistant to Billy Slater at the Maroons, has held interim head-coaching roles at Cronulla and North Queensland.
“With the exception of [former South Sydney coach] Jason Demetriou, who was in the mix [at Parramatta], they are all assistant coaches,” Bennett said.
“No one has more qualifications than Dean in that department. That’s the challenge for the people selecting it, they have all been assistant coaches. It’s not my prerogative to make their decision for them.
“They have to make a decision on who they think is the best person to coach their club. If it’s Dean, I would be absolutely elated for him. If it’s the other guys, I’d be pleased for them.”
Bennett said he could envision the day he would go up against Young in the opposition coaching box.
“I know Dean: I’d want to win and he’d want to win,” he said. “We would still be great friends after it. There would be no stupidity in the game or trying to get one up on each other, neither of us are made of that stuff. That’s one of the qualities I love about him.”
While Bennett knocked back the Eels, he was full of admiration for the western Sydney franchise.
“It’s a wonderful club, it was the club of the ’80s,” he said. “It’s had some success over its time and they have had some lean years. They’re a bit like the Dragons, they didn’t win a premiership for a long time until Dean played in that premiership team.
“Those clubs have been through the Super League war, the reduction of teams, all of that type of stuff. They have survived and are stronger than they have ever been. It’s a credit to them, there’s nothing there you wouldn’t want to coach.”
Exciting news, all 3 are good. I think Young has more of that "build championship culture" and I can see the players really responding well to him more than Ryles and Hannay. Especially senior players.
They're Reputable Rockstar Rookies. But we don't have a clue how "good" they'll be at head coaching at Parra. They've done Nada there. They could end up Benji or Kearney lemons. It's common knowledge assistant coaching is world's apart from head coaching roles. Galaxies apart.
The Rookies have done ZILCH as week-to-week top-tier head coaches. NADA. NOTHING. Hannay a bit for 36.7%.
Parra is its own club. Nothing like the Dogs, Storm, Cowboys, Warriors which have had mixed results with Rookies.
Rookie head coaches make mistakes, often big ones, while they learn the ropes. It's part of the P-Plater learning process.
At the moment we're equal last on points with Rookie Benji's Tigers. Over the next 12-36 months 11 of our top 17 will be approaching mid 30s. Our defence has been declining progressively since 2020 to now second last. We have a lot of work to do. It would be hard for an experienced head coach.
We need to prepare for 5-10 years of pain, with the best results happening over the next 12-18 months with this roster, when P-plating is most virgin. We'll need some huge recruitment rebuil and hope our juniors are superstars at NRL level.
Be interesting to see which of the 3 get it, but the club does need a fresh start and hopefully a fresh set of eyes can help the club move forward. Some risk attached to it ofc
Yep, Eli, it's fascinating. You're right. As we're not going for competence and a proven winner but Rockstar Rookies - by reputation not reality - they pose grave risks as we have much work to do. Gus is right. But his words fall on deaf ears & the blind.
I'm probably leaning to Hannay if I had to pick one of the 3 but it's hard to split them.
I would still prefer McDermott or Holbrook but Young would be a better option than Hannay or Ryles.
BEM, what gives you more confidence in Young? I have little hope in Ryles. Nice bloke, though.
Hannay's 2-yr interim coaching at circa 36.7% wasn't great. Holbrook was an interim coach at St Helens and he improved the team from mid-way to make the finals. Shows you a good coach can still make a difference even as an interim.
Hannay's teams when he was an interim head coach dropped to bottom four. However, at the Sharks towards the end they got up to 9th. He left them at the same level he got them. Maybe there's a glimmer of hope at that. But only marginally. Nothing definite.
I am saddened we're aren't going for a winner and competence in McDermott. Holbrook at least would provide some of that.
I don't think I have more confidence in Young but more so that I have less confidence in Ryles or Hannay.
Belive me, none of these three are my first, second, third, fourth or even fifth pick.
you know the only reason there are interim coaches is cos the team was shithouse and had to get rid of the coach so I would take zero meaning out of that 36.7% stat