PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Poupou, when you all went off that "the leftists did it" that was before ANY details of the shooter emerged. So you lacked ANY evidence. Now you're trying to have a debate about evidence but it is hard to take that seriously given you made up your mind without evidence.
Like most here I work so I have to squeeze in some reflections where I can. But I have some notes for a post on political affiliation that is truly bizarre: it gives the evidence that IS present and says what does it add up to? That evidence includes the shooter's MAGA upbringing. I have yet to read a single one of you who claimed "the left did it" PRIOR to ANY details of the shooter emerging, factor that MAGA upbringing into your account.
If possible this afternoon or evening I'll post that comment. If you have remarks about how your assessment of conservative or progressive, right or left, or some mix none of you have gone near touching, that incorporates the MAGA and Groyper connections, please feel free to elaborate. Nobody is stopping you. Free speech and all.
Bup, Meelk, AE and even Frank..... you bring credit to the discussion. i say that in deference to others that have assumed similar views.
I have stayed out of this discussion and just observed the commentary and the predictability of a lot of the comments.
That said there are a couple of aspects we should note, not about the assination but in the responses.
Firstly lets aknowledge that the USA is a dysfunctional society as a generalisation, secondly many others all over the world have similar claims, but the USA is seen as the barometer of the 'so called' free world!
Now we all assume that the assasin was a 'looney' left winger.....lets also assume that the 'loonies' are not restricted to any particular appendage of the human body......so what we really should be observing and nothing more than the actual tradegy is the responses.
I will momemtarily say lets assume the protaganist was an extreme right winger who was disempowered by his own movement. doesn't matter if that is not true, just an alternative to the situation.
You see the message i created then was there was a reason or a rationale for the actions, when in fact there is no rationale, judgement or agenda that can be justified.
Just say your peice and move on, get off what ever platform you think you need to adopt and wait for a moment when you can make relevant judgements......that's why this world is so fucked!!!
THis was my very uneducated comment from the 12th September.....maybe out of the mouth of Babes?
Poppa, I thought that comment was spot on. But what do I know, I am a radical lunatic disgusting leftist
Well I certainly didn't describe you that way..... but there is an old saying that "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and goes Quack Quack....it is more than likely a DUCK!
Poppa, I am OK with radical and lunatic and I am a leftist. But I draw the line at ... duck. C'mon, that is literally dehumanizing. Even disgusting can be human.
So the 5 replies I made last night were all deleted. They were well considered replies, and not abusive. How the fck is any conversation meant to happen if they keep getting deleted?
Moderator, give an explanation why my non abusive replies were deleted?
So we've got just another totalitarian lefty moderator, who cannot tolerate opposing views. This only reaffirms my claims. Censoring me isn't going to alter my arguments.
Bob, were you arguments continued calls for civil war and concentration camps for leftists? I just want to know if they are what you consider "well considered"?
Bob Smith, Pull Your Head in. Pretty please.
1. Only one of your posts was deleted. The only one in this blog.
2. I already warned everyone. Others have been largely civil.
3. Your calls for war & carting masses off to camps among others are calls for violence. Extremist.
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