PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Daz , For once we've found some middle ground , I agree that the " uuuuurgh im going to take the time to post that this topic doesn't interest me " is dumb , can both go a step further and agree that Ploppas post game wrap ups are nauseating ?
What Ploppa may not realise is these off season blogs pay the bills. Ploppa find me another rugby league privately run platform that generates as many hits during their teams offseason as this one . Are you that much of a moth you can't stop yourself flying into the light to click the link?
Ploppa wasn't here during the real bleak Parra supporter years when the offseason blogs probably kept the fucking doors open. When he's paying $5 a month to use the place he'll be crying in his Uncle Toby's oats asking how the place can attract more revenue to cover the costs.
Fuck! Both you guys really showed up!
I wrote a 2 line post about unpacking baggage and the replies were the comments and attacks of the school bullies being nice to each other........
Nobody can question your intellect Daz and even Wiz put up a "fair" performance for an un/educated idiot from Wollongong...... but what do you honestly think you have left to prove that the average joe maybe be interested in ?
It's my choice to click on or click off, not some high and mighty intellect of the ages who wouldn't believe Jesus Christ if he walked up to him in the teachers classrooom and told him that you missed the masses!
I have something to offer with your SIFT Strategy......its called FIFO and it stands for Fit In or Fuck Off!
PS Sir Col the Mushroom and myself were instrumental in pushing the whole concept of the "ORF SEEZUN"
lol the 1EE offseason was going for what a decade+ before you graced us with your presence. And yes Col was certainly part of that. You taking credit is laughable. It's like me taking credit for defeating Hitler in the war. Not remotely realistic. Once upon a time there were hundreds of offseason ( NON FOOTY ) threads that were hundreds of pages long. You'd have died if this one makes you cry.
Listen, you lost your battle for the "right" and should now learn to shut your mouth for 5 minutes. I have no idea who that is a picture of.....but I will remind you that I have been on here for over 10 years and it was Sir Col and myself that launched the terminology of "orf seezun".
No one cried or is crying over the length of this blog, it was a great read...."I piped up with how much baggage do you want to unpack" I was "taking the piss" with "bloody lefties".
I had previously commented that I thought there were no winners but I thought the
"left won"....... you didn't like that because essentially Daz "wiped" the floor with you , so you come completely out of context with your current ramble......back into your hole Wizard, you were shown up for what you are.....
There were some great posts in the whole thread by many, unfortunately WIz you were catapulted out the back, Randy even made you look stoopid!
Poppa I cannot figure out if that is Brad Arthur watching the Eels actually defend under Ryles, or Tony Abbott after eating another onion.
I mean , you put a name on the off season blogs which have been going since the sites creation. It's like me calling the regular season " The Reeeegular seezen " and thinking I've given the regular season some imaginary momentum. Ridiculous.
Some of us were keeping the off season chugging along for over a decade before you lobbed up. You're still an apprentice.
Oh Poppa, while I do in fact believe you and Sir Col (RIP you glorious old codger) started orf seezun, there could never be FIFO on an Eels fan site, aside from some minimal starting preconditions such as a) don't be a closet fan of another team (if so FO), or b) don't treat the code of conduct as so optional that you have a mortgage on breaking it.
Also, Poppa, how did you get from your choice to click on or off to some high and might intellect telling you to click on or off? Poppa! That's nonsense you smurf. And that's not meant as an insult to smurfs; it's not an identity prejudice, because blue is as good as any other colour.
PS: you are right that I would disbelieve Jesus. But I believe in equality so all sky faires were created equal and thus I would not believe any sky fairy.
Yes, Wiz, we agree off-season non-footy blogs are fine and if disliked just don't open them. Interestingly, the suggestion of a $5/month fee is . . . not actually a bad one. Like, would I pay $5/mo, the price of a coffee (except in Melbourne where each coffee is $142.38)? Yeah, totally. So long as some tech wiz (know any tech wiz's wiz?) set it up to NOT automatic rollover the subscription one season to next, as who knows when any of us might give up the team in abject resignation.
Whilst you're right that $5 a month is fuck all. To some it's an expense they don't need and numbers will undoubtedly drop off. How many new members wouldn't join ? Most. You'll also have people who are hesitant to hand their card details over. It's not really about the cost , it's about the security for many.
Im happy that at this stage it seems we can generate enough clicks for it to remain self sufficient and new members can join and contribute.
How about you SIFT Strategy first: Stop and reflect, Investigate, Find better sources, Trace to source wherever possible. If you’re right, great, you have avoided misinformation; if you’re wrong, maybe listen.
You haven't listened once or ever conceeded a point in all your ramblings. You may think you investigate but you simply blindly follow the online algorithms to find justification and confirmation bias for your ideas.
If you investigated you would find the full quotes and contexts and follow up of many things you accuse Kirk of. Although a small number may back up your claim many would oppose your views. You read opinion pieces as fact. On the black pilot's Kirk said
“If I see a black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.”
In your ramblings you say. It was race, concluded Kirk; none deserved their role. No he actually said it makes him think if they earned their job or were awarded it through DEI.
I used your advice of SIFT onthe black pilot's quote and found more info.
The essence of that clip that was missed by almost everybody — Jordan Peterson, to his credit, really picked up on it — which was I was trying to be, you know, very vulnerable with the audience is that DEI invites unwholesome thinking. … I was saying in the clip, "That's not who I am, that's not what I believe." But what it does is it makes us worse versions of ourselves, Megyn. That's the whole point of what I was saying is that I now look at everything through a hyper-racialized diversity-quota lens because of their massive insistence to try to hit these ridiculous racial hiring quotas. Of course I believe anybody of any skin color can become a qualified pilot.
When it comes to pilots or surgeons, if I see somebody who is Black, as I said on the show, I'm going to hope that that person is qualified. That's what I said, which of course is legitimate because they're begging the question, we're not hiring based on merit anymore. We're hiring based on race.
Using your SIFT strategy how can you argue that his thoughts about hiring those not as qualified as others is racist. Once you investigate the number of affirmative action university placements and jobs awarded in critical industries I think it is a valid talking point.
I actually turned down a well paying role I was offered as they wanted disability representation, however after reviewing it knew I was not suited and couldn't do the job. They went with someone who I can confidently say is very incompetent and when speaking to others who should have been in the running can see the massive shortfall that the affirmative action hire had. Maybe if people aren't qualified you can use them in focus groups or slowly prepare them for the role over years but awarding roles beyond entry level roles to fill quotas is ridiculous.
Have you seen the video of the female SWAT team in competition who couldn't complete the zip line challenge. I know it is American but if you were hostage would you want a team with women, gay, racial representation, or do you want the biggest baddest muthaf#ckers who can rip shit up.
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