PREAMBLE: Ladies and Gentleman, Super is happy for this discussion to continue if we can remain civil and disagree respectfully, updated as necessary. If not, comments will be removed and if necessary the blog closed and any future Kirk-related blogs closed for discussion.
Part 1, by Wiz (more right leaning)
Part 2, by Prof Daz (more left leaning)
SYNOPSIS: Charlie Kirk spoke his final words at 12:23 p.m. on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, in front of around three thousand people. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old alleged shooter of the 31-year-old Republican, remains under investigation. Utah’s governor suggested he may have been radicalized by the Left, though his MAGA-entrenched family and transgender partner complicate the narrative.
The attack shook the United States, exposing deep ideological fractures. Two days later, President Donald Trump concluded that “the radicals on the left are the problem” rather than the radical right who, he said, merely want to “stop crime,” framing the debate in partisan terms during a live Fox News interview. However, voices such as Jack Posobiec and Steve Bannon, speakers at Kirk’s conventions, had long used hard-line rhetoric, calling the Left “demonic” and urging the building of “an army of the awakened.”
History offers a far broader perspective. Abraham Lincoln, Yitzhak Rabin, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated by right-wing extremists. John F. Kennedy and Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose death helped ignite World War I, were killed by left-leaning radicals. A two-way street.
Just months earlier, on June 14, Democrats Melissa and Mark Hortman were gunned down in their Brooklyn home by Vance Boelter, a hard-right evangelical, white Christian who disguised himself as a police officer. Married nearly 32 years, the couple left behind two children. The killings, however, received far less attention than Kirk’s death and did not prompt a presidential call to confront the radical right.
“What do they all share in common? Every political assassination is an attack on the collective; on our ability to disagree without destroying,” an academic observer noted. George Bernard Shaw called it the "extreme form of censorship."
Left or Right isn't the problem in my view. The greater danger lies in the radical mind and in how easily society nurtures the “us versus them” divide. As Desmond Tutu warned, “The moment we divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them,’ we begin to lose our humanity.”
Charlie Kirk (above and below) is survived by his wife and two children.
Married nearly 32 years, Melissa and Mark Hortman as well as Gilbert, their Labrador (below) leave behind two children.
Boelter who assasinated the Hartmans allegedly kept a hit list of 70 targets, including Democratic lawmakers and even some anti-abortion clinics. The same early morning at 2am he invaded the Minnesota home (above) of the Hoffmans and their children who survived the shooting following surgery.
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Bob, Correct me if I'm wrong.
You said: "one side is being told to "reform" while "the other keeps being violent".
1. Facts. Both radical sides have been violent, no?
2. How is the "Right" being told to "reform" or 'surrender" ? By using pronouns? Some people not liking you waving the flag? Reading Daz? The Guardian? University existing? Give me specific examples how it's adversely affected you in your life. Just want to understand the specifics of your grievances. You might be surprised how much tougher life is in other countries.
3. Who is the "Left" forcing this upon you? Me? I'm centre left. I'm not asking for those things. Not much into identity politics or whatever it's called. Just respect as much as possible.
Those questions are in relation to your claims. If you really wish to have an adult arguement. I'm in, if you are.
You haven't answered the questions I asked, so why should I answer yours? I'm not getting dragged into a long, drawn out 'debate', when I'm to be the only one answering questions.
What rule/law/thing would you make/change to bring about your Christofascist Utopia, BobtheGronk???
One at at time now, this ain't your mums boudoir
Bob, once you give up on a solution that matches liberal-democratic-secular norms, whatever solution one has arrived at can be dressed up in all kinds of rationality but it will be pernicious. Thinking the only option is to amplify violence is to have given up on a liberal-democratic-secular solution.
Industrial-scale inhumanity always, always, always backfires, and leads to those who have been the most merciless inevitably being the ones begging for mercy...to no avail.
....and who the fuck wants to wear our flag on a shirt. It's disrespectful to it.
Fakey wants to go out and about cosplaying as a 'murican but he is just to scared of the Boogyman
You can't understand today's political violence without understanding the growth of identity politics. The previous political violence was Marxists versus everything else.
Bobbo, you do not understand violence at all. You're black rectangle just gives you a hard-on for it
It would be more accurate to say that disputes over what constitutes identity and how identity should relate to politics is important to understand if one wants to understand political conflict. For instance, identity politics as calls for equality, or identity politics as bourgeois sectarianism, or identity politics as woke censorship, are radically different understandings of identity politics. That makes the relation between identity politics and violence tricky to pin down, and also difficult to pin as a single kind of influence.
The other interesting part of idenitty politics is that the political right has been saying identity politics originated in upstart leftist circles that aimed to stigmatize whites and the west. Really? Ethnic colonialism, much of the Scottish enlightenment, eugenics, all pre-dated post-civil-rights identity politics, but those earlier social movements all inferred from identity to moral and political worth.
The bigger issue over left and right is MH. The far right and far left likely have MH issues, whether it is insecurities, anxiety, feeling they are alone and seeking acceptance into any group that will have them. Extremists prey on these people seeking to belong to something.
There are idiots and loonies everywhere but as Charlie Kirk once asked a nurse, if an anorexic patient turned up to medical practice, would the Dr agree they are fat and tell them they should starve themselves or continue throwing up all their food. No they would be treated and the issue identified.
Body dismorphia is real but the same as others with other MH issues shouldn't it be discussed and treated before undergoing life changing alternatives. I have a cousin who cried during puberty. She wanted to be boy so badly, and was what was considered a tomboy.
Now grown up with kids of her own she looks at gender reaffirming care and thinks what may have happened to her if she was a child now and it makes her fear the pressure kids are under. Even the cool seemingly confident kids have sense of not belonging or body images as kid. It is normal but being a femine man or a masculine girl is fine.
It is clear through demographics of famous people in Hollywood and in elite suburbs where being left isn't just cool but worshipped, that LGBT and trans kids are at an unnaturally high ratio. Why is that, if it is natural then rates would be consistent across the board, or are the parents and society influencing these innocent kids to for attention and belonging.
HKF September 11, 2025 at 10:14am
The violent far left strike again, no doubt they will try to claim the killer was a right wing nut trying to escalate the dislike of the left.
Since receipts are the in thing i thought i might leave one of my own from the original Charlie kirk blog.
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