It was not so long ago, on the venerable pages of 1EyedEeel, that those of us unfortunate enough to have landed on the left of the political spectrum were scolded for apparently celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. No, we said, we are not celebrating that murder. Instead, our point was that the canonization of Kirk was a means to avoid frank discussion of his actual words. We would not participate in canonizing such a divisive figure. No matter said our critics. The issue was stated to be that ‘the left’ were responsible for the Kirk shooting. This ‘fact’ showed ‘the left’ are "loonies", "cancerous", they killed Kirk "because of his beliefs", they are "losing their grip on reality", "showing their true colours" and "cannot accept contrarian views". Yes, receipts available if memory does not serve. Some actually HOPED for "civil war" and that 'lefties' would be "carted off to work camps". Others opined that "far left violence is becoming a trend [and they will] definitely not like what comes next". Well, I guess that last remark was prescient?
Political irony is a gap between ideals and reality. With all this Kirk-inspired defence of free speech, and the deploring of political violence in response to "contrarian beliefs", we on the loony left were asked to ignore two obvious contradictions coming our way. One, our free speech to NOT fall into normative line was self-evidently denied. Apparently, we could not walk and chew gum. In this case, oppose murdering based on disagreement with beliefs but also have our own evaluation that said we oppose canonizing someone we regard as possessing many noxious beliefs. Two, apparently leftists were prone to political violence and deserved violent retribution because political violence was wrong. It is not even possible to parody that one, it is so comically contradictory.
Anyway, now we all watch as US ICE murders a soccer mom in her car and a male nurse trying to assist a woman who was being set upon by ICE agents. Senior US politicians from Trump down on through VP Vance and Congressman like R. Fine, plus Trump’s loyal protection squadron in his administration (Noem, Miller, Hegseth etc), have set about blaming the murder victims for their fate. The soccer mom was called a domestic terrorist trying to use her car as a weapon, when she was shot twice in the body and once in the head. The ICE agent is heard saying “f***en b***h” after murdering her. MAGA is saying the soccer mom deserved it, apparently because women should not be challenging men. The nurse is being accused of sedition and for deserving to be shot, because he was carrying a (licensed) hand-gun on his person (so much for gun rights?) when half a dozen ICE agents piled on top of him on an icy road and shot him multiple times at point-blank range. An ICE agent is on video dancing and clapping moments after the nurse was murdered. The US Republican leadership and their MAGA support base are literally celebrating the murders.
Political irony is a gap between ideals and reality. Is there really any kind of substance to the idea that there is some ideological debate going on here? If everything that was said in those Kirk blogs is true, that free speech extends to free political speech and political action, that political violence in response to political disagreement is wrong, that trends toward violent retribution are abhorrent, where are all the blogs calling for action against the Trump Regime. The Trump Regime that is quite literally terrorizing and violently suppressing its own citizens?
Is there not some common humanity, unfortunately too often hidden behind vicious and pointless trolling of people, usually based on their identity differences, that isn’t screaming out that there is potentially something terrible both germinating and unfolding in the USA at this present time? If political irony is a gap between ideals and reality, when does reality intervene to say stop pretending that free speech and abhorrence of political violence can just be memes launched by the right against the left or the left against the right, and that they actually should mean something, regardless of partisan identification? The US Government is celebrating the murder of its own citizens by its own agents. We are beyond hypotheticals. They’re celebrating murder, FYI.
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Pou, could you please call me a fuckhead to settle folks down
Mechanic or cook?
Do you see those as jobs pople should be ashamed of Randy?
Not at all. I was refering to your perspective on the righteousness of the shooting of an unarmed restrained man. It just didn't sound like your role was combat oriented as those chaps are generally more circumspect.
No disrespect Pou, and, actually, it is a pretty shit comment, however I will leave it up so I look like a fuckhead
Hi Poppa, no, I actually agree with your basic contention that most would see what is happening with Trump and ICE in the US as reminiscent of fascist Germany. Where I depart company is the idea that if I have loony left sympathies that they "taint" me with "bias". One does not have to claim some viee from nowhere to not be "tainted". One can see clearly and reasonably even if "biased".
Objecting to a government executing its own citizens in the street because they're dissenting from cruel, harsh police-state goon-squad stuff actually should not really need to drag in much political leanings at all. Outside of totalitarian and fascist political leanings, most political leanings should be able to land on this objection, and doing so does not require tainted anything.
Here's where you do your credibilty a disservice. Describing this sort of thing as the 'execution of a soccer mom or a nurse'. You are so obviously buying into the narrative that these are harmless, virtuous victims murdered in cold blood by soulless thugs straight out of a war movie.
Pou, you're doing yourself a disservice. Good was a mom of 3, a poet. Her partner left behind reported they stopped to help neighbors, and they had whistles vs guns. The video shows her moving the car away as ordered and the ICE agent shoots her three times. Pretti was a nurse. He was set upon by 6 agents and shot in the back of the head.
if ICE has nothing to hide then why prevent local law enforcement investigating?
Regardless, you've got a mom who spends most of time doing art with her kids and driving them to soccer, and a guy who spends most of his time as a nurse at a hospital. But Noem and DHS describe them as domestic terrorists engaged in sedition. Yet you think it's ME buying into some narrative of virtuous victims? You can't be serious. Regardless, let's not forget that in those Kirk blogs any kind of attack on the victim was strictly verboten. Except now you want to reflexively defend ICE by ... attacking fhe victim.
They were murdered while dissenting from government overreach. I would have thought being a mitlaufer for government overreach would be historically on the nose? Mitlaufer: passive compliance with the Nazis
Daz you are the most biased poster on here, you're that far far far left the sensible center is way out of view
Steve, please provide an argument rather than just a description of what you take to be my political leanings.
Are you saying that the government executing its own citizens in public is the "sensible centre"?
Gold Randy Gold. Apathy and commentary like that in the bold is part of the problem.....I see NO intelligence in that comment sorry Poppa....
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