Ladies and Gentlemen,
This site has never been the most endearing to the club or even parts of our own fanbase. A common piece of feedback I receive privately is that some find it too negative or drama-filled, which is why many choose to stay away. At times we clash hard and put each other down, the club, the players, and even Super, who pays for this site out of his own pocket. Some of this could understandably offend players’ families. In conversations I’ve had with people within the club’s hierarchy, the club takes a fairly open-minded view and accepts that it can’t control what others say or think. That’s a mature approach.
That said, I believe the majority of us are good eggs, mean well, even if some are rough around the edges and a small minority hold more extreme views. Over the past decade, I’ve met many wonderful people through this site, some of whom I now count as close friends and have learned a great deal from. You’re a big reason I’m still here and why I care about this community.
If you’re willing, I’d appreciate your thoughts on the direction the site should take. Ultimately, Super will decide, but it’s helpful to understand how people feel, here or privately, on:
- Current affairs and political blogs: Even if personally enjoy them, these often become the most feral and attract extremist views, especially in challenging times. They can flood the site and turn off many who simply want to talk footy, the one thing we all share. Life has enough dramas.
- Moving these blogs to The Cave: Making them members-only may be a win-win, it allows discussions without overwhelming those who’d want to avoid it.
- Any other ideas for improving the site.
Please don’t comment on political, religious or current affairs issues in this blog. This is about improving the site, not saving the world from an apocalypse.
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Wasn't he banned from displaying his flag ? If so he was banned unless he agreed to being discriminated against ?
Chief, Pops, I know you're both not gullible. It's fake news. Frankie is a perennial pot stirrer. It reminds me of a 13yo I know at my daughter’s school. Every classroom has at least one student who tries to hijack the class or get a rise out of others, seeking attention.
1. This had nothing to do with Brett. Fake news. Plenty of people publicly disagreed with Super’s decision to suspend Brett. Were any of them suspended?
2. Super’s “suspension” of Wiz is not a “ban,” despite how it’s been framed. It's misleading for a reason. Calling it a ban is misleading language designed to make it sound harsher than it is. Pushing a narrative.
3. There is no mysterious “they, banned” as Frankie claims. Again more misleading rhetoric, to invent the narrative, a victim versus the Leftie mob storyline, and "perception" that does not exist in reality. He regularly wheelbarrows that narrative. It's nothing new, nor unexpected. It could be a projection.
4. Super is the sole arbitrator of suspensions, bans or deleting of accounts. For the record, I like Wiz and have told Super that directly. In one-on-one conversations, Wiz has always struck me as a good person who can be reasoned with. That said, there are also plenty of people who are unhappy with his carry on privately. What happens next is a matter for Wiz and Super. Spreading false rumours is unlikely to help Wiz’s cause.
5. On Brett, I'm not sure where that is at. It doesn't look hopeful of a resolution. At the end of the day, we're a footy forum, not a political site who promote and advertises politics 24/7, especially in these challenging times. If Brett isn't flexible enough, well, maybe Super is within his rights to run the site as he sees fit.
Super owns this site. He pays for it out of his own pocket. Would Frankie allow a minion to tell him how to run his own business? Glass houses. From what Super told me, the issue was specifically how Wiz was carrying on in the Bondi blog, where he crossed lines. Super does his best, the mods do their best. That is all anyone reasonably minded can expect.
So asking the the question if they banned Wiz because he voiced his disagreement with brett's banning to what Electric eel posted is called Stirring the pot ?
Yes, Frankie, you did pot-stir using "fake news". You have a long history of pot-stirring, belittling others and aggressiveness. If you can't see it, I can't help you.
You didn't ask "why" was Wiz suspended, you said: "So they banned Wiz for because he voiced his disagreement of Brett's banning?🤣🤣🤣🤣 "
The only thing true about your sarcastic mocking "question" is 'Wiz". Everything else is bollocks.
You asserted a false premise wrapped in sarcasm, to push the narrative of a Victim-Blame-Game. Classic Pot Stirring.
Not exactly correct chief, he was banned for displaying the flag and was only allowed back if he removed the flag. This is discrimination and imo appalling behaviour by super.
HFK, are you banned for disagreeing with Super? Is anyone else? Wiz hasn't been suspended for that. It's for other reasons. Pot stirrers are spreading fake news.
Coming from Sydney 45 years ago and arriving in Brisbane, I had very limited exposure to my beloved Eels from an information perspective.
When I joined 1EE about 10 years ago it provided that link I was missing about my team.............
Philosophically this was my first involvement with social media. I am not on any other outside of TCT which was realalistically a spin off of 1EE and I still post there infrequently and respect 60's foundation of that site. I even suggested the 2 sites should be merged. It was actually unrealalistic in hindsight when you understand the personality differences.
So yes I am of the view that we are different and looking more like TCT is not that desirable unless you want to be the same.
I understand the points being made by Hoe by opening this up.
This said I am one of the sites most polarising personalties (its just me I do not do it with any deliberacy) and have created some division in that respect. This process is not an opportunity to defend myself , so I won't! Most people know me well enough to have their own opinions. I am by definition centre right and have voted left on a number of occasions.....
So I am focusing on people rather than subject at this stage.
The people on here are honest, vitrolic, humerous, insulting, lovable and dumb as dogshit!.....(sounds like a family) I am not sure we need to change the mix as they are a reflection of the honesty on here and in a way that makes us unique.
I feel where we have lost it somewhat is in the political and cultural aspects that parade themselves in various ways through our whole society.
Some people say to me lets have a conversation but exclude, Religion, Politics and Racism......sorry but that is like taking 80% of the content away and leaving us with Sport only.....acknowledge at this point the ladies would prefer to talk about their children and grandchildren.
Obviously the vitrolic enters into all those subjects and great sensitivity exists between the cultural aspects, I believe where Hoe is directing this discussion and these issues respectively is the dangers involved in turning people off trying to understand these things better.
We are lucky we have a person like Hoe moderating, mainly because he has the intelligence and judgement to manage a process that would be impossible for a biased person to moderate. Whether you agree or disagree with Hoe's judgement's (he is probably centre left) is not the point, we respect him enough to make a decision that we can fundamentally agree is giving people opportunities to express themselves without calling for special laws. He has rarely suspended anybody and deserves the right to delete discussion's adjudged as inappropriate. I can think of no better person to empower!
My summation of this is to give Hoe the power to be trusted to perform what we need, as its a bastard of a job and if we just accept that someone has got to do it, I cannot think of a fairer person to do it than him.
PS Everyone has the power to refer these matters if they don't like his judgements to Super! Super can be the final arbiter in a system that effectively exists in our democratic society. i.e. Free speech and the ability to appeal to a higher authority. It does not always work but tell me a system thhat works better?
Poppy this site went downhill as soon as Phil Sim left , While Phil had piss poor standards and judgment when it came to club matters he ran this site in a very fair way and never once pushed his lefty views on here or removed blogs or posts that didn't fall into line with his lefty views. No doubt you remember the good old days on here and all the stoushes many of us had on all subjects , the fact you never had a heart attack during these stoushes is testament to your heart health .
The moderation on this site is basically all about being a apologist for the club and has been for a long time , as fans we have the right to hammer the people who run the club as much as we like especially since their epic failures have given fans so much misery , they never get to face members so forums like this are the only way fans and members can vent .
The site is slowly turning into TCT and no doubt it would be the mods dream of having a blanket ban on criticising the club , a perfect example of this is the recent two bit forum that members had with the club management.
Do you think people who attended this tea party event asked any hard questions? Do you think one person had the foresight to ask Jim Sarantonis a question like why as CEO for last 6 years and having the greatest advantage of any other club CEO in nsw in having the 2nd largest CBD in nsw with $9b dollars worth of property developers and construction companies he has failed failed miserably in tapping into this failed in bringing these people to the club ? No fucking chance .
Do you thnk Super or anyone else at this event ask the simple question of why haven't the people who run the club been able to make Parramatta a attractive destination for players?
Do you think they would ask why they can't bring the best people to the club be or players or staff ?
Do you think they would ask why the club has bottom of barrel standards ?
Do you think they would asked why we have have a epic low standard head of football in Mark O'Neil who has been a epic failure still at the club ? Of course not .
They would of asked question regarding the the type of blue being a bit dark on the jersey or if the hats members received in their members packs can be made from 100% recycled materials .
When it comes to political or social subjects I have no issues with them being banned primarily because the mods will remove what is posted based on what does not match their views and beliefs, if you ask a question that they can't answer in a way that won't suit their narrative it will be removed , if a blog is not going the way that suits the mods narrative it will be removed and we have a long history of this with Super .
Phil Sim was a lefty but he never once removed a blog or post because it did not meet his lefty beliefs , you could actually have a debate with Phil and then agree to disagree but he would not close or remove a blog just because it was not going his way .
Political discussions and religious topics kept this site alive . Ban them at your peril. We've seen how stagnant it gets without them and the hits and clicks speak for themselves. Hence why the chairman hasn't already banned them. We've also seen what happens when he try's to get the cave to be his filter, nobody goes in there since he chased away all the characters with censorship.
There a good reason this is one of the only real independent 1 team dedicated fansite generating decent traffic. Phil always said it was more a social platform than just a league dedicated echo chamber . But 90% of the entertaining contributors have left so why not make it League Unlimted from Temu and just have everyone finding differnt ways to praise the club and call each other merkins.
Yes Political and current affairs belong in the cave This is an eels supporters website I don't know when it was started but I know I've been on here since 2012ish The passion we all have for this club the legit info the back and forths and even the firthy's that exude from this site keep me checking in every day It's part of my life of being a Parra supporter and anything written on this site that isn't about the club is just outside noise that most of us don't want or need
Off to the cave with the outside noise I say
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