'Merica: Just how f@#ked is it?

Great to hear thia from an African American. The truth and a responsible and balanced position!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl7XQ-kAGdk

It isn't as simple as this either unfortunately. It's not a circular argument or however he phrases it to suggest that white people are responsible for the socio economic position of blacks in America its historic fact which we all know well. It doesn't make it directly the fault of most whites in America today but that doesn't change the fact of it.

If you have any degree of financial security in life human nature is to protect that. If you don't then you have nothing to lose and human nature is to rebel. All there riots emphasise is the amount of insecure Americans today of all colours. The death of George Floyd is the catalyst for these riots but it's far from the reason for them.

Very well said ME! Totally agree!

All this is, is the left trying to avoid defeat once again in November.

They haven't accepted Trumps victory since he won in 2016, and they have continually tried to undermine his government since.

The constant harassment of Trump is something to behold and in some cases admire TDS is an official disease. It started with the Russiagate Hoax, then the Ukraine Impeachment, then the extended COVID 19 lockdowns by mostly democrats Govenors and now current riots conducted under the fake George Floyd narrative, are all designed by the left to try to oust Trump from the Whitehouse.

It's obvious to most that the reason they are is because ultimately, if he wins another term, everything that they corrupt left have worked so hard for the last 20/30 years, will be destroyed taken apart legislation by legislation, Supreme Court justice by Supreme Court justice and they simply can't let that happen. Even if it means destroying the country in the process.

He's already taken the US out of the
Climate Paris Accord, he's stopped funding WHO, he's renegotiated countless trade deals and he's questioning a plethora of other leftist bodies.

IMO he's the most controversial president that's ever lived and simply the best IMO..

Yes Frank, I'm sure this is a vast left wing conspiracy between African American communities and the Democratic party and not a response of frustration to decades / centuries of systematic oppression.

But let's for arguments sake assume your right.In which alternative reality does the opposition party not try to undermine and derail the party in power?

It is a conspiracy but not just from the left. The conspiracy also involves RINOs members of his own party...they will do anything to stop his re-election

Yes, you can try to undermine and derail the opposition but you do it legally.

Everything these low lives have done since his election campaign began, has had a criminal edge to it, ie Russiagate, the setting up of political opponents and the illegally issued FISA warrants....

Obama in effect armed his office with illegal information gathered by his counter intelligence agencies to spy on political opponents and he denied it.
He lied........this has been proven (all coming out now) and this has never been done before by any president. The lefts demigod is actually a crim.

Cointelpro?

Watergate?

And you see no issue with all of the above?

Imagine if these frauds were perpetrated by Trump on OBUMMA or Biden?

Some comments in this thread suggest race is a convenient fig leaf for maybe just bad behavior. No, you are wrong.

I have been to the US many times, but more importantly, I lived in South Carolina and in Minnesota. I also lived in Canada for 15 years and was in the US very often.

Yes, drug and crime and gangs make some areas no-go zones if you are not the right ethnicity or race. That's because the US tolerates armed militias. And because intolerance toward "the other" is systemic in the US.

Thus, I can tell you race is not a convenient tag line. Race is not the entire story but it is a damn big part. Don't make the mistake of ignoring race relations just because they are not the whole story or because some pretend they are.

I was living in South Carolina when OJ Simpson was acquitted in 1995. I watched as crowds of blacks cheered like they just won the lottery. I did not understand it. I asked a mate of mine, Charles, a black guy, to explain it to me. He said he could talk all night but would I come to visit his family in Kentucky? A really good family with a brother in jail, a cousin in a drug gang, parents who worked 2-3 jobs and gave every dime to the kids. It was really confronting to hear stories of things said to them. I'm sorry, but whites don't get that shit. If we are called farang or white ghost or whitey we move on because the insult is not connected to systemic judgements of our humanity or IQ and nor is it the reason not to employ us.

In 1997 I was living in Minneapolis and went to the "wrong" movie theatre, before I knew the lay of the racial land. A white security guard intercepted me and told me not to sit with the scum. His word. Not that I might be in danger. But that the blacks were scum.

Last year I was in New Orleans. A conference. A black guy sat with me and a friend at a chicken place late one night after Bourbon Street adventures. For the price of a chicken wing he told us his story post-Katrina. Guess who were left behind in the hurricane? Guess who had their former houses condemned and bought up by wealthy companies?

Anyone who thinks race relations are not a big part of the US chaos right now, and who does not understand the pernicious effects of systemic racism, has both never lived in the US and never stopped to wonder what a culture feels when they grow up being stigmatized and they grow up in conditions of very obvious economic inequality. Guess what? You get pissed off. You tend to disrespect authority. And you lack patience for people who tell you that when you break and do shit that' it's actually all on your and behave yourself.

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Electric Eel June 2, 2020 at 9:03pm

Great to hear thia from an African American. The truth and a responsible and balanced position!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl7XQ-kAGdk
- Michael Ericson > Electric Eel June 3, 2020 at 6:57am
  
  It isn't as simple as this either unfortunately. It's not a circular argument or however he phrases it to suggest that white people are responsible for the socio economic position of blacks in America its historic fact which we all know well. It doesn't make it directly the fault of most whites in America today but that doesn't change the fact of it.
  
  If you have any degree of financial security in life human nature is to protect that. If you don't then you have nothing to lose and human nature is to rebel. All there riots emphasise is the amount of insecure Americans today of all colours. The death of George Floyd is the catalyst for these riots but it's far from the reason for them.
  - Bourbon Man > Michael Ericson June 3, 2020 at 11:21am
    
    Very well said ME! Totally agree!
Frank The Tank June 3, 2020 at 11:12pm

All this is, is the left trying to avoid defeat once again in November.

They haven't accepted Trumps victory since he won in 2016, and they have continually tried to undermine his government since.

The constant harassment of Trump is something to behold and in some cases admire TDS is an official disease. It started with the Russiagate Hoax, then the Ukraine Impeachment, then the extended COVID 19 lockdowns by mostly democrats Govenors and now current riots conducted under the fake George Floyd narrative, are all designed by the left to try to oust Trump from the Whitehouse.

It's obvious to most that the reason they are is because ultimately, if he wins another term, everything that they corrupt left have worked so hard for the last 20/30 years, will be destroyed taken apart legislation by legislation, Supreme Court justice by Supreme Court justice and they simply can't let that happen. Even if it means destroying the country in the process.

He's already taken the US out of the
Climate Paris Accord, he's stopped funding WHO, he's renegotiated countless trade deals and he's questioning a plethora of other leftist bodies.

IMO he's the most controversial president that's ever lived and simply the best IMO..
- Magpie > Frank The Tank June 4, 2020 at 1:37pm
  
  Yes Frank, I'm sure this is a vast left wing conspiracy between African American communities and the Democratic party and not a response of frustration to decades / centuries of systematic oppression.
  
  But let's for arguments sake assume your right.In which alternative reality does the opposition party not try to undermine and derail the party in power?
  
  http://right.In/
  - Frank The Tank > Magpie June 4, 2020 at 2:33pm
    
    It is a conspiracy but not just from the left. The conspiracy also involves RINOs members of his own party...they will do anything to stop his re-election
    
    Yes, you can try to undermine and derail the opposition but you do it legally.
    
    Everything these low lives have done since his election campaign began, has had a criminal edge to it, ie Russiagate, the setting up of political opponents and the illegally issued FISA warrants....
    
    Obama in effect armed his office with illegal information gathered by his counter intelligence agencies to spy on political opponents and he denied it.
    He lied........this has been proven (all coming out now) and this has never been done before by any president. The lefts demigod is actually a crim.
    - Magpie > Frank The Tank June 4, 2020 at 7:20pm
      
      Cointelpro?
      
      Watergate?
  - Frank The Tank > Magpie June 4, 2020 at 2:35pm
    
    And you see no issue with all of the above?
    
    Imagine if these frauds were perpetrated by Trump on OBUMMA or Biden?
- Wile E. Coyote > Frank The Tank June 4, 2020 at 11:38pm
  
  Nailed it Tank
Prof. Daz June 4, 2020 at 10:01am

Some comments in this thread suggest race is a convenient fig leaf for maybe just bad behavior. No, you are wrong.

I have been to the US many times, but more importantly, I lived in South Carolina and in Minnesota. I also lived in Canada for 15 years and was in the US very often.

Yes, drug and crime and gangs make some areas no-go zones if you are not the right ethnicity or race. That's because the US tolerates armed militias. And because intolerance toward "the other" is systemic in the US.

Thus, I can tell you race is not a convenient tag line. Race is not the entire story but it is a damn big part. Don't make the mistake of ignoring race relations just because they are not the whole story or because some pretend they are.

I was living in South Carolina when OJ Simpson was acquitted in 1995. I watched as crowds of blacks cheered like they just won the lottery. I did not understand it. I asked a mate of mine, Charles, a black guy, to explain it to me. He said he could talk all night but would I come to visit his family in Kentucky? A really good family with a brother in jail, a cousin in a drug gang, parents who worked 2-3 jobs and gave every dime to the kids. It was really confronting to hear stories of things said to them. I'm sorry, but whites don't get that shit. If we are called farang or white ghost or whitey we move on because the insult is not connected to systemic judgements of our humanity or IQ and nor is it the reason not to employ us.

In 1997 I was living in Minneapolis and went to the "wrong" movie theatre, before I knew the lay of the racial land. A white security guard intercepted me and told me not to sit with the scum. His word. Not that I might be in danger. But that the blacks were scum.

Last year I was in New Orleans. A conference. A black guy sat with me and a friend at a chicken place late one night after Bourbon Street adventures. For the price of a chicken wing he told us his story post-Katrina. Guess who were left behind in the hurricane? Guess who had their former houses condemned and bought up by wealthy companies?

Anyone who thinks race relations are not a big part of the US chaos right now, and who does not understand the pernicious effects of systemic racism, has both never lived in the US and never stopped to wonder what a culture feels when they grow up being stigmatized and they grow up in conditions of very obvious economic inequality. Guess what? You get pissed off. You tend to disrespect authority. And you lack patience for people who tell you that when you break and do shit that' it's actually all on your and behave yourself.

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